Regionalizing Emergency Management Services - Gettysburg

[Venter]

There is more to this article, but for some reason, it wasn't posted on the Times Site.

EMS regionalization a success in neighboring counties
Gettysburg Times September 14, 2013.
By Jim Hale and Jarrad Hedes, Times staff writers.

Mergers and regionalization have been the key to maintaining ambulance operations in a changing marketplace, said leaders of two emergency medical service (EMS) providers in nearby Lancaster and Cumberland counties.

How to go forward has been a question in Adams County since last month's announcement by WellSpan Health, which owns Gettysburg Hospital, that it will transition away from ambulance-related services in coming months.

WellSpan is the sole provider of Advanced Life Support (ALS) involving highly trained paramedics and the source of leased emergency medical technician (EMT) services for three volunteer fire companies that provide basic life support (BLS) ambulances.

"Those that don't merge, I believe, will go out of service eventually," said Bob May, executive director of Lancaster Emergency Medical Services Association (LEMSA), which is a merger of eight formerly independent services.

... "With regionalization, things become more efficient on both a financial and service front," agreed Paul Christofel, executive director of Camp Hill-based West Shore EMS, which represents a joint effort of 17 municipalities in a merger of five ambulance services.

The two men, whose services pay for themselves, offered similar advice for Adams County officials.

"I think the biggest pitfall that Adams County folks are probably worried about right now is a loss of control and a fear of the unknown," Christofel said.

"Concerns about loss of identity and authority are real", May agreed, "but you have to let go for the greater good. It's truly about the mission and sustainability."

Eliminating "visible lines in the sand" is crucial, May said, because once "turf" issues are gone, decisions about how to allocate resources can be made strictly according to efficiency.

"Adams County is at an interesting point in time," May said, "because there is a real opportunity to build something exciting, and also something sustainable, but it's going to require everyone to have an open mind. The first step is to get everybody together to identify problems and needs, and then you start talking," May said. "There are going to be good days and bad days, but you have to stay the course. We will not survive working against each other."

The two organizations have overcome similar challenges while following different paths to regionalization. LEMSA began as a cooperative effort between two hospitals, while West Shore arose from a network of municipalities...

These Quotes seem to sum it up in a nutshell:

"I think the biggest pitfall that Adams County folks are probably worried about right now is a loss of control and a fear of the unknown," Christofel said.

"Concerns about loss of identity and authority are real", May agreed, "but you have to let go for the greater good. It's truly about the mission and sustainability."

It should be interesting to see if the Local Councilmen and Supervisors can stop stepping on their dicks, and learn to work together.

[lifesaver]

And so it begins.  From Friday's Evening Sun.  Think, people, think.  We can pay a little now, or pay a lot later.

Fire tax: Hamilton Township residents speak out against it
Only one of about 30 residents told the township supervisors he favors the levy.
By MELODY ASPER

For The Evening Sun
Posted: 09/12/2013 01:21:51 PM EDT

More than three dozen Hamilton Township residents attended Monday night's township meeting, with the majority asking supervisors to avoid instituting a fire tax.

The supervisors had asked for residents' input on the topic and got it, with discussion of the proposed fire tax taking well over an hour.

The proposed tax is a result of a countywide study released in April suggesting that each of Adams County's 34 municipalities levy a 0.25-mill tax on property owners to help fund the 20 volunteer fire companies that serve throughout the county, said board of supervisor chairwoman Stephanie Egger.

While many of those in attendance said they agree the township needs to fund the fire companies, only one resident spoke fully in favor of the fire tax.

"I had to borrow money to pay my school tax because I am on a fixed income, but I still would like to see a fire tax implemented," said Berlin Road resident Doug Fishel, who said he was once a professional firefighter in Maryland.

"People pay more for their phones and Comcast service than they would be doing for a fire tax," said Fishel. "We need to fund our volunteers. We can't afford paid fire crews."

According to a study recently completed by the Adams County Council of Governments, said United Hook and Ladder fire department representative Kevin Moul, it is estimated the cost of paid career personnel would cost residents a 4.25-mill tax, with that cost not including operational, equipment
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and workers compensation costs.

By Pennsylvania law, municipalities - not counties or the state - are responsible for providing public fire protection, said Moul, adding that a fire tax is not intended to fund all of a fire company's operating expenses.

If a quarter-mill fire tax were put into place, the owner of a home assessed at $200,000, said Moul, would pay $50 a year. According to the 2010 census, the average Hamilton Township home is assessed at $192,300.

While the majority of the residents who spoke agreed the all-volunteer fire companies need more financial support, several asked that other avenues be explored.

"A fire tax shouldn't be dumped on property owners," said Ann Harmon, of 700 Road. "We (personally) give a yearly donation to the fire company. Renters should pay too. I'm tired of freeloaders. Everybody in the township should pay and it wouldn't hurt as much."

Harold Senter of Gun Club Road said he agreed with Harmon completely.

"If there are 20 people living in a home there should be 20 people paying," said Senter, noting that if the fire tax would be implemented as a property tax, apartment houses would only pay one single fee.

He said he also donates several hundred dollars annually to the fire company, and he asked that such donations be noted if the township does implement some type of fire tax.

North Pheasant Way resident Scott Harlacher and wife, Carolyn, said they are both against enacting a fire tax because, once instated, it could conceivably be raised each year.

"Everything falls back on the taxpayer," said Scott Harlacher. "This year it's the fire tax. Next year it's a hose tax and the next year it could be an EMT tax. It just goes up and up and up and where will it stop?"

Harlacher suggested that area social clubs which have gambling earnings be required to give a certain percentage to the fire companies. Under current state law, said Harlacher, social clubs must donate 70 percent of their gambling earnings back into the community and it should go to the fire companies.

Currently, social clubs get to choose which organization gets that money, said board chairperson Stephanie Egger, and the township does not have any say in the matter.

"The social clubs and the state representatives would have to address those questions," said Egger. "That's all done on a state level."

Supervisor Tim Beard said Harlacher's idea does have merit.

"We will bring it up to (state Rep.) Will Tallman," said Beard, and encouraged residents to call Tallman or other state representatives to ask that idea be considered.

However, Moul cautioned that relying on gambling revenue to fund a fire company would not guarantee a steady income.

"What if they don't have many people attending, or they get closed down for a couple of months for some reason?" said Moul. "Then you have zero dollars for the fire company."

Township road superintendent Ron Weidner, of The Spangler Road, said he is adamantly opposed to adding a fire tax as he thinks it will do more harm than good.

"Once they (the fire companies) have a guaranteed income they will do less fundraising, as they will feel it isn't needed," said Weidner. "Once the tax is there, it will never go away and it will escalate so we have to pay more money every year."

"The fire companies need to control their costs like the rest of us do," continued Weidner.

More than a dozen other residents voiced similar opinions, with many adding that they understand the fire departments need the money but the revenues need to be raised fairly.

"It should be equal and fair and include renters," said Mary Beard, wife of supervisor Tim Beard.

Don and Joanne Danner, of Peepytown Road, suggested that more Adams County fire companies should consider merging so there would be lower equipment costs.

"Did they look at all the options before they asked for this tax?" questioned Joanne Danner. "Did they look at consolidations? We have 20 fire companies in one small county. Let's look at consolidations now."

Fishel said the downside of that idea would be that there would be only one fire engine in each town and there would be fewer back-up engines and equipment when needed at a large fire.

Although the fire tax discussion took place in the meeting's first hour, the issue was raised again at the end of the nearly three-hour meeting when several residents pointed out the supervisors had not shared their own opinions on the potential tax.

Supervisor John O'Brien said he is not in favor.

"The property owners would be the only ones paying it and people on a fixed income can't afford more taxes," said O'Brien.

Supervisor Tim Beard said he would favor a fire tax, with two important modifications - renters should be brought in with a levy aimed at them, and properties with no buildings should not be taxed.

The latter issue is extremely important in a rural area such as Hamilton, said Beard, as open farm land does not usually need fire protection and should not be included in the tax.

"Farm owners would be paying out of proportion," said Beard.

Egger said she is not in favor of the tax but knows something must be done to generate the needed revenue. She pointed out that volunteer firefighters donate numerous hours to training and fundraising, plus undetaking rescues and fighting fires.

"I am totally against the tax as it is suggested for real estate but our firefighters need help. They need our support," said Egger. "How can we ask them to give 50 percent of their (leisure) time to us and we don't give anything in return?"

The supervisors have not made any decisions on the proposed tax, said Egger, as the issue needs more review and discussion.

The topic will be reviewed as part of the budget being developed by the township's volunteer finance committee, said Egger, and will be brought back to the October supervisors' meeting.

[Venter]

I don't even know where to begin!

• "A fire tax shouldn't be dumped on property owners," said Ann Harmon, of 700 Road. "We (personally) give a yearly donation to the fire company. Renters should pay too. I'm tired of freeloaders. Everybody in the township should pay and it wouldn't hurt as much."
  Must have a bunch of "Renters" in Hamilton Township (codeword for Mexicans)
  
  
  • "If there are 20 people living in a home there should be 20 people paying," said Senter, noting that if the fire tax would be implemented as a property tax, apartment houses would only pay one single fee. (See "renters" above.)
    He said he also donates several hundred dollars annually to the fire company, and he asked that such donations be noted if the township does implement some type of fire tax.
    
  • North Pheasant Way resident Scott Harlacher and wife, Carolyn, said they are both against enacting a fire tax because, once instated, it could conceivably be raised each year.
    "Everything falls back on the taxpayer," said Scott Harlacher. "This year it's the fire tax. Next year it's a hose tax and the next year it could be an EMT tax. It just goes up and up and up and where will it stop?" (It stops when your Heart Stops, or when your House Fire Dwindles to Ash!)
    
  • Township road superintendent Ron Weidner, of The Spangler Road, said he is adamantly opposed to adding a fire tax as he thinks it will do more harm than good.
    "Once they (the fire companies) have a guaranteed income they will do less fundraising, as they will feel it isn't needed," said Weidner. "Once the tax is there, it will never go away and it will escalate so we have to pay more money every year."
    "The fire companies need to control their costs like the rest of us do," continued Weidner. (So maybe the Township Roads Crew needs to go out and get donations for the work they do? I'm SURE residents don't use EVERY Road - why should they pay for all of them to be maintained?)
    

[/i][li]"It should be equal and fair and include renters," said Mary Beard, wife of supervisor Tim Beard. (Again with the "Renters" - DAMN! Must REALLY be a problem, probably all of two houses full of 'em!) 
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• "I am totally against the tax as it is suggested for real estate but our firefighters need help. They need our support," said Egger. "How can we ask them to give 50 percent of their (leisure) time to us and we don't give anything in return? (Good question, maybe you can write them a check while they are doing an EKG on you en route to the Hospital! That'll be MUCH easier than paying taxes)
  

[lifesaver]

I know Venter.......the logic, no let me rephrase that, the STUPIDITY of these people makes me want to throw up.  No one likes higher taxes, me included, however, this isn't like the recent tax reassessment(although I could argue this is also all about stupidity). This is about public safety, and the real concern that our volunteer departments may (and probably will in the future) disappear.  I hope that this doesn't happen, but if these dimwits want to continue with that type of thinking it will happen sooner, rather than later. Then let them bitch about the taxes they will have to dish out for paid services.....a pittance compared to the proposed fire tax.  But, utilizing their logic, I propose the following:

Property owners will not be forced to pay the proposed fire tax, nor will anyone be forced to donate funds to their local department.  Careful records will be kept by each department of residents who directly support their department by either paying the fire tax, or making a yearly donation that at least equals the amount of the fire tax they would pay.  If you don't pay the fire tax or give a donation, and in the unfortunate circumstance, you need the services of fire or ambulance crews, sorry about your luck.  Since all services in this county are volunteer, they may decide that since you don't care about them, and the services they provide for your health and safety, they won't care about you either.  And one more thing, since all services are volunteer, information about those who choose not to support the tax or donate to the department, will be forwarded to all homeowner's insurance companies in the county.  Since this essentially will leave your property without fire protection  good luck paying your next premium (if you even have a policy to pay )

[Fire Marshal Bill]

Sept 17, 2013 12:21:30 GMT -5 lifesaver said:

I know Venter.......the logic, no let me rephrase that, the STUPIDITY of these people makes me want to throw up.  No one likes higher taxes, me included, however, this isn't like the recent tax reassessment(although I could argue this is also all about stupidity). This is about public safety, and the real concern that our volunteer departments may (and probably will in the future) disappear.  I hope that this doesn't happen, but if these dimwits want to continue with that type of thinking it will happen sooner, rather than later. Then let them bitch about the taxes they will have to dish out for paid services.....a pittance compared to the proposed fire tax.  But, utilizing their logic, I propose the following:

Property owners will not be forced to pay the proposed fire tax, nor will anyone be forced to donate funds to their local department.  Careful records will be kept by each department of residents who directly support their department by either paying the fire tax, or making a yearly donation that at least equals the amount of the fire tax they would pay.  If you don't pay the fire tax or give a donation, and in the unfortunate circumstance, you need the services of fire or ambulance crews, sorry about your luck.  Since all services in this county are volunteer, they may decide that since you don't care about them, and the services they provide for your health and safety, they won't care about you either.  And one more thing, since all services are volunteer, information about those who choose not to support the tax or donate to the department, will be forwarded to all homeowner's insurance companies in the county.  Since this essentially will leave your property without fire protection  good luck paying your next premium (if you even have a policy to pay )

There are some fire departments in the south where you may a “voluntary” tax directly to the fire department. This is based on your property value. The department keep records and should your house or other property catch fire, they will respond and to the best they can to extinguish the fire and keep damage to a minimum.

If they respond and you haven’t paid, they will protect the property of those who have paid, and when you present them the CASH that you should have paid, plus a certain percentage, they will then attack the fire on your property.

These people just don’t think. I often suggest to people that they purchase a knox box for their property, but they don’t want to spend the $150 to $500 for the box. Then they want to complain because the fire department had to damage their $1,000 door to gain entry.

[Mr Blonde]

Sept 17, 2013 15:35:13 GMT -5 Fire Marshal Bill said:

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There are some fire departments in the south where you may a “voluntary” tax directly to the fire department. This is based on your property value. The department keep records and should your house or other property catch fire, they will respond and to the best they can to extinguish the fire and keep damage to a minimum.

If they respond and you haven’t paid, they will protect the property of those who have paid, and when you present them the CASH that you should have paid, plus a certain percentage, they will then attack the fire on your property.

These people just don’t think. I often suggest to people that they purchase a knox box for their property, but they don’t want to spend the $150 to $500 for the box. Then they want to complain because the fire department had to damage their $1,000 door to gain entry.

Do you have proof of this or is it a he said she said type of thing?

[Fire Marshal Bill]

Sept 17, 2013 23:35:10 GMT -5 Mr Blonde said:

Sept 17, 2013 15:35:13 GMT -5 Fire Marshal Bill said:

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There are some fire departments in the south where you may a “voluntary” tax directly to the fire department. This is based on your property value. The department keep records and should your house or other property catch fire, they will respond and to the best they can to extinguish the fire and keep damage to a minimum.

If they respond and you haven’t paid, they will protect the property of those who have paid, and when you present them the CASH that you should have paid, plus a certain percentage, they will then attack the fire on your property.

These people just don’t think. I often suggest to people that they purchase a knox box for their property, but they don’t want to spend the $150 to $500 for the box. Then they want to complain because the fire department had to damage their $1,000 door to gain entry.

Do you have proof of this or is it a he said she said type of thing?

This company has let two homes burn in two years because the owner didn’t pay the $75 fee

www.firehouse.com/news/10472820/tennessee-fire-department-watches-house-burn-again

This article tells of how some departments are looking into it. Not really sure how old the article is.

money.msn.com/insurance/will-firemen-let-your-house-burn-wsj.aspx

I can’t imagine any department in this area ever doing something like that, but you never know.

During a couple of my classes and the NFA, I talked with a few students, who informed me that their departments do operate this way, both paid and volunteer.

I have also heard, but can’t find an article now, of departments who have a subscription fee, or assessment who will extinguish your fire if you don’t pay, but will then bill you for the cost involved.

[paulkellett]

A few thoughts, the state constitution forbids the taxing of vacant land or classifying any land (other than the Clean and Green rules (value in use, not fair market) All real estate taxes must be levied equally. Renters pay property tax, do not get the homestead exemption so are actually taxed more. Yes, the landlord (owner) pays the real estate tax, but I pass it on in the form of rent increases. My property tax bills are higher than my income, but I favor the fire tax. Why, because the police do not have to have a bake sale to protect me, the doctor does not sell raffle tickets to treat me, and the politicians certainly do not have feeds to pay their salaries. So why have we singled out fireman to pay their own way? When I was a supervisor every paycheck from the township was endorsed to the fire company, every month- six years. I also think along with the fire tax has to come a certain degree of accountability, and if that means mergers so be it. But if we keep placing the bill on the fire departments to pay themselves they will close, no question. Then the whole expense will be on the taxpayer. As I say you can "save money" by never changing the oil in your car, but..." We need to support these dedicated volunteers before they are extinct.

[Fire Marshal Bill]

Sept 18, 2013 18:13:10 GMT -5 paulkellett said:

A few thoughts, the state constitution forbids the taxing of vacant land or classifying any land (other than the Clean and Green rules (value in use, not fair market) All real estate taxes must be levied equally. Renters pay property tax, do not get the homestead exemption so are actually taxed more. Yes, the landlord (owner) pays the real estate tax, but I pass it on in the form of rent increases. My property tax bills are higher than my income, but I favor the fire tax. Why, because the police do not have to have a bake sale to protect me, the doctor does not sell raffle tickets to treat me, and the politicians certainly do not have feeds to pay their salaries. So why have we singled out fireman to pay their own way? When I was a supervisor every paycheck from the township was endorsed to the fire company, every month- six years. I also think along with the fire tax has to come a certain degree of accountability, and if that means mergers so be it. But if we keep placing the bill on the fire departments to pay themselves they will close, no question. Then the whole expense will be on the taxpayer. As I say you can "save money" by never changing the oil in your car, but..." We need to support these dedicated volunteers before they are extinct.

Well said Paul. As far as them "cutting back", what should they cut back on? Should they not purchase protective clothing? Should they not maintain the apparatus? Should they not purchase new apparatus? Should they not attend training?

And people have to realize cost are going up for the fire service just as cost are going up for everyone else. The fuel for those units cost more that it did 20 years ago, the apparatus cost more, the heat for the building cost more.

[hawg]

The thing this minority of people don't understand is that there are many volunteer firefighters watching and listening to these meetings and when they hear and read what is being said they are getting pissed off. Sorry to say this but yes there is more and more volunteer's saying "F" this you figure out how you are going to get service! They have to work a regular job to make ends meet because we all know wages aren't the best in this county then turn around and go work a fundraiser just to provide a free service to all people!!! This little fire tax that is being asked for is not the cure all and would not fund any fire department in Adams County let alone pay for a piece of equipment!!! Cutting back on expenditure's was said well then how about the service that is provided is cut back??? Right I can see that homeowner maybe even one of these people that opposes the tax watching their home burn down and the Chief telling them we have to go back to the station because we have used our allotment of fuel on your house due to cuts in the budget. Don't care what anyone says till this is all over and done there are going to be less volunteers to answer the calls and fundraise because they are seeing the true colors of their community coming out!!

[Venter]

Sept 18, 2013 22:23:04 GMT -5 hawg said:

... Don't care what anyone says till this is all over and done there are going to be less volunteers to answer the calls and fundraise because they are seeing the true colors of their community coming out!!

That statement says it all.

I think part of doing the Volunteer Job is that you feel like you are doing GOOD for your neighbors.
They're sure as hell not doing it for the money or the bright green t-shirt!

If they are not appreciated, then why would they bother?
Even your DOG needs a pat on the back once in awhile.
People don't realize that it makes you feel good to volunteer at various functions or events.
If you've ever donated your time, then you know what I mean.

But these guys do it day-in-and-day-out.
You may say, "Well, nobody tells them they need to volunteer! If they don't like it, they can stop."
Well, they just might stop - and we'll all be a bit poorer for that kind of thinking - both financially and morally.

[lifesaver]

I'll just let the article speak for itself.

Mount Joy officials call fire tax unequal



Posted: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 3:06 am

BY JESSICA HAINES Times Night Editor | 0 comments

Two Mount Joy Township supervisors are urging fellow municipalities in Adams County to think twice before enacting a proposed 0.25 mill fire tax.

Supervisors John Gormont and Brad Trostle said last week they believe the proposed property tax to be inequitable for property owners.
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The 0.25 mill proposed fire tax is the result of a study released in April after the Adams County Council of Governments (COG) in cooperation with the Adams County Volunteer Emergency Services Association (ACVESA) commissioned York-based consultant John Senft to examine the state of fire service in Adams County.

The study found chief among the concerns of the county's 20 fire companies was the future sustainability of funding operations, and proposed the 0.25 mill tax as a revenue generating mechanism for the departments. Since the study's release, the COG has held several meetings to educate municipalities and fire companies on the proposal. The study calculates $2.27 million would be generated annually as the result of all 34 municipalities enacting the fire tax, which would be distributed across all departments.

Gormont and Trostle suggested the 0.25 mill tax is being forced on municipalities.

"It should not be a done deal. It's something that should be considered if people want to consider it," said Gormont. "The study was a complete waste of money. They went into it looking to generate fire tax."

The township previously used a fire tax to fund emergency services, but current supervisors later repealed the tax levy. Gormont said that decision was based on a feeling of inequality.

"We said before we repealed the tax, the tax was not equitable," said Gormont. "Everyone should be paying the same thing. It should not be based on property value at all."

He continued: "What COG is trying to do is not an equitable funding mechanism."

Trostle used the example of a golf course's property value - the township has three - and hypothesized the golf course might be worth between $1 million and $2 million. On the other hand, ten houses valued at $200,000 also add up to $2 million in property value. However, said Trostle, one property owner ends up paying the same amount for fire services as ten households, which may have multiple residents, creating in his opinion, an inequitable situation for the golf course owner.

Instead, Gormont and Trostle suggested a flat fee be charged to each property in the county. They suggested $15 or $20 per property or household per year.

However, municipal and fire officials say a flat tax or fee is not permitted under state law.

"I am aware of no legal authority a municipality has to enact such a tax," explained COG Vice President and Straban Township Supervisor Sharon Hamm. Hamm was the chair of the COG fire funding committee.

Jerry Poland, chief of Bonneauville Fire Department, agreed.

"The law does not provide for a flat tax in the state of Pennsylvania," said Poland. Bonneauville, along with Barlow, Gettysburg and Alpha fire departments is one of four fire companies who respond to calls in Mount Joy.

Is $2.27 million enough for the 20 county fire companies, or too much, asked Gormont and Trostle.

Said Trostle: "0.25 mills seems to me would be way above and beyond the amount to fund fire companies."

"Today they're getting roughly $600,000," said Gormont citing past data collected by the township secretary.

In the study, Senft calculates Mount Joy Township would send about $113,894 total to its four fire companies. That's up from roughly $70,000 contributed by the township currently to the companies under a three-year agreement that was signed in December 2011.

Supervisors have said in the past the township is one of the highest contributors to fire services in the county.

Despite that contribution, along with other municipal contributions gained through a proposed fire tax, fire departments would still have a deficit in trying to make ends meet according to the study.

The pair said the $2.27 million would end the need for departments to have fundraisers, and indicated fundraisers should continue.

"Truth be told we're trying to alleviate the burden of fundraising," acknowleged Poland. He explained an all volunteer force spends time and energy not only volunteering to fight fires and respond to emergency calls, but time raising funds to keep operations running, and time and funds to take classes required of volunteer responders.

The increased demands on volunteers ouside of emergency response, fire officials have said, has contributed to the decreasing ranks of those volunteers.

"The alternative is don't do anything and in a few years, what do you do when the fire departments are out of business?" said Poland. "It's OK for them to tax people, but it isn't OK for the fire department to get a tax to provide a service that is infinitely more important?"

"$2.2 million is not going to get them any more volunteers," said Trostle. "They're trying to relate money to people."

Additionally, the two supervisors argue a large amount of funding would go to fire departments while a small percentage of calls are dispatched to the township. They cited data collected over two years from fire departments as required by the contract they have with the four township departments.

"Why would I want to be funding Gettysburg for a high percentage of their fire funding if four percent (of their calls) came into this township," said Trostle. Figures provided by Trostle indicated in 2012 four percent of Gettysburg Fire Department's calls were in the township, while 12 percent of Bonneauville Fire Company's, 10 percent of Alpha Fire Company's and 31 percent of Barlow Fire Department's calls came into the township. Under the property tax distribution outlined in the fire study, 43 percent of money collected in the township would be contributed to Barlow, while 4.96 percent, 35.9 percent and 15.8 percent of tax collected would be contributed to Bonneauville, Gettysburg and Alpha, respectively.

[lifesaver]

Four out of five of the Cumberland Twp. Supervisors "get it".  You guess who is the one that doesn't.

Proposed fire tax supported in Cumberland



Posted: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 3:06 am

By Beth Kanagy Times Staff Writer | 0 comments

Not many townships and municipalities in Adams County leave the meeting room without at least a brief discussion of the proposed 0.25 mill fire tax. Cumberland Township is no exception.

During the supervisors' regular meeting Tuesday night, Chair Barbara Underwood asked the board to approve the composition of a draft memorandum of understanding (MOU) with the fire companies that serve the township.

Supervisor Tom Shealer noted that the township has been counciled to draft the MOU regardless of the institution of a fire tax, he said.

Still the proposed fire tax was discussed at length. Supervisor Al Ferranto proposed that the township's regular yearly donation of $60,000 given to the fire departments served by the township be used to offset the tax and lower the actual millage.

"The fire tax raises, what? $174,000. And we give them $60,000 of taxpayer money already," he said. "I say we just use the $60,000 donation and lower the millage. That way they get the $174,000 and we don't have to do a .25 mill. We can lower it to 0.20 or 0.15."

Underwood and Shealer both explained that the fire tax is a dedicated tax, used only for certain expenses.

"That $60,000 we give is a donation," Shealer said. "They can do whatever they want with it."

Ferranto suggested that the board budget the $60,000 that would be donated and earmark it for debt reduction.

"That's certainly something that we can discuss during the budget," Underwood told him.

"Not everybody is doing well in the township," said Ferranto. "That tax increase could be a problem for some people."

Recognizing that it's a 0.25 mill, Underwood noted that the tax itself would be small.

Shealer pointed out that in other areas, the cost is much higher. He related that Harrisburg residents are looking at a 13 percent tax increase in their fire tax because they have a paid fire department.

Supervisor David Waybright noted that his tax bill from Frederick County, Md. includes a 1 mill fire tax. And the fire tax on property in Hampshire County, W. Va. is 0.2 mills.

"And Hampshire is not a wealthy county," Waybright said.

Underwood then added that Berwick Township in Adams County already instituted a fire tax of 0.2 mills.

"So Adams County already has a municipality that currently has a fire tax," she declared. "It is in effect in another township."

Ferranto then noted that he's heard that if a fire tax is in place, people will no longer donate.

"So, fire companies may see a little drop off in donations," he said.

Supervisor Steve Toddes disagreed.

"That's not what happens," Toddes said. "And if half the people who say they give the fire companies did, we wouldn't be having this discussion."

Earlier in the meeting resident and business owner, Speros Marinos asked the board to please consider instituting the fire tax.

"Please institute the fire tax. Our fire companies need the help. Don't allow a few stupid people from the township sway you," he told the supervisors.

The board voted to direct the Public Safety Committee to compose a draft MOU and then submit it to the full board for consideration.

[Fire Marshal Bill]

I’m not sure I understand people thinking this proposed tax is unfair. Those who own more expensive properties will have to pay more in the fire tax. Don’t they already pay more in property tax than someone with a less valuable property? Don’t they pay more for insurance than a person with a less valuable property?

When you buy a new expensive vehicle, you pay more insurance than the person with a 20 year old clunker don’t you?

Maybe people with less road frontage should not have to pay as much municipal tax because there is less road to plow and maintain in front of their house?

[Alex Oreilly]

Again, I'm not against a fire tax but I would like there to be some accountability on the fire companies to make sure that they use the funds for what they are intended for.

I know one fire company that has not been very open about its bookkeeping to their local municipality.

[Fire Marshal Bill]

Sept 25, 2013 17:31:49 GMT -5 Alex Oreilly said:

Again, I'm not against a fire tax but I would like there to be some accountability on the fire companies to make sure that they use the funds for what they are intended for.

I know one fire company that has not been very open about its bookkeeping to their local municipality.

Don't quote me, but I believe this money has to be accounted for and must go toward fire protection activities. I am not sure what those in power will consider fire protection expenses. The fire department has expenses just like every one or every business. They all have vehicles to purchase and maintain, safety equipment and protective clothing, as well as training and maintaining the buildings. I am sure some committee will make a determination as to just what expenses this money can cover.

One idea I have heard was that the departments will present paid bills and will be given money to cover approved expenditures.

[Alex Oreilly]

But once the fire departments get the money, who is going to make sure they actually use that money for what it is supposed to be going for?

[leeroy]

Why is the tax unfair? Because it falls on home owners again. What about the Gettysburg College, churches, schools, federal, state and local government building and the people that work or attend. Fire and medical emergencies happen at those locations also, but they are not being asked to foot the bill. Why not make it an income tax? Then everyone living in Adams County can pay their fair share. The more income you make the more fire tax you pay. What about tourist? They require Fire and EMS on occasion. Why not attach some of the burden to the pillow tax?

I’m all about making sure our Fire and EMS crews have the money they need to operate, but lets not rush into this.

Al Ferranto does have a point about the 60K donation the township currently makes. Will the township continue to donate 60K? If the new tax generates 174K why not keep the 60K and use it elsewhere.

Here is a hypothetical for you, lets say for the past 5 years each year a fire company has received 200K in donations from the members of their community. Then the fire tax is enacted and the fire company receives 150K in tax revenue. Can the fire company still expect to receive the 200K in donations? Or will the homeowners skip the donation? If I’m already being taxed why would I donate? In the end the fire companies may end up with the same cash. Tax income up, donation income down.

[Venter]

I truly hope that they have figured out a Tax Figure that will take care of ALL of the Department Expenses!
Are we to assume that the Volunteers will STILL need to do their numerous fundraisers?
I hope that is not necessary.

We all know that VFDs are a type of Social Club too, but their camaraderie is an important part of helping them to act as a Team when duty calls.
I believe there will still be the Social Functions associated with VFDs, like Chicken Dinners, and Shrimp Feeds, but they shouldn't be a primary source of operating funds.
Maybe those funds go toward sprucing up the stations, helping their community, or buying and distributing smoke alarms.

These guys VOLUNTEER their TIME, not their lives (well, hopefully not their lives.)
After work, how many of you go out into the intersection, asking for Donations?

These same people crying about .25 mill have no issues with "tithing 10% to the church".
Okay, no sane person really tithes 10% to save their soul - but they'll balk at .25mill to save their home?

And think about how much hassle these institutions have regulating their "games of chance" in their efforts to raise money.
I think the Ultimate "Game of Chance" is the one they play with fire... FOR US!




Again, disclaimer, other than the very few events I've attended, and bought raffle tickets, etc. I do not actively donate to the Fire Department (or PBS and NPR, and I frequently use their services )

[moose]

Years ago in Frederick County, Md., a new Sheriff was elected and he proposed to regulate tip jars more closely and at first we all thought that was the death of Fire Company funding as the Fire Company depends on that revenue to operate. What actually happened is that the county required the Fire Companies to purchase their tip jars (and small games of chance) through the county. Nothing else much changed except that the county now had control of such games. Tip jars used to be sold (illegally) in certain places of business, usually, bars. The County then allowed certain businesses to operate these games of chance LEGALLY, BUT they had to be adopted by a non-profit organization, who the proceeds would benefit. If I recall right, the split was 75/25, 75% to the non-profit and 25% to the adopted business. I'm not sure what the split is now, as the county may have changed it some over the years to recoup the costs of implementing and maintaining the games.

What I'm getting at is, the Emmitsburg Fire Company is allowed three sponsored businesses to sell tip jars on their behalf. Those proceeds help the fire company meet its operating expenses (in addition to some other county-funding) and the fire company is like any other, in that it is into heavy fund-raising, as well. This reduces the need for a TAX to support fire-services. This is sometimes referred to as a sin-tax, but those who play the tip jars do so at their own free will, presumably with disposable income.

Frederick County does have a fire-tax, but in Emmitsburg this is a mis-nomer. The fire company is strong and vibrant with a close-knit group of folks working for the same goals. The fire-tax in Emmitsburg, is actually an EMS tax, as the enormous amount of EMS/ambulance calls were too much for the volunteers to handle. EMS/Fire are separate organizations in Emmitsburg. The EMS group found it difficult to respond to the voluminous emergency/routine calls and they failed to get out of the station for many calls. This required paid personnel to be placed there.

Would you rather fund emergency volunteers through a forced tax or a voluntary sin-tax? Not sure who controls small games of chance in Pennsylvania (counties or state) but if they loosened the controls somewhat and allowed private businesses to sell them and have the proceeds benefit legitimate non-profit organizations such as emergency services related ones, this would go a long way to helping those volunteers. Why does it seem Pennsylvania so backwater when it comes to these things? You've got to change with the times!

[Alex Oreilly]

I think the liquor control board controls the tip jars and raffle tickets.

[Fire Marshal Bill]

Sept 25, 2013 21:12:01 GMT -5 Alex Oreilly said:

But once the fire departments get the money, who is going to make sure they actually use that money for what it is supposed to be going for?

Alex, I share you concerns if the money is just forwarded to the Fire Departments. If the Municipality just gives the money to them they are pretty much free to do as they wish with it. I do believe most departments in the county will be honest and use it as intended. But of course there are a few who may look for the lope holes, or forget the intended use and spend at their discretion.

But if they are going to be reimbursed for expenditures they have already made, what does it matter how they spend the money raised by the tax. What I am saying is that the fire department paid their fuel bill by borrowing from their banquet fund. The money from the Fire Tax is replacing money they already spent out of their pocket, so what does it matter what they do with the actual money from the fire tax?

When reimbursing the departments, it will be interesting to see just how they assure that a department does not submit a bill to two or three municipalities asking them all to reimburse them for one expenditure.

[Fire Marshal Bill]

Sept 25, 2013 23:03:36 GMT -5 leeroy said:

Why is the tax unfair? Because it falls on home owners again. What about the Gettysburg College, churches, schools, federal, state and local government building and the people that work or attend. Fire and medical emergencies happen at those locations also, but they are not being asked to foot the bill. Why not make it an income tax? Then everyone living in Adams County can pay their fair share. The more income you make the more fire tax you pay. What about tourist? They require Fire and EMS on occasion. Why not attach some of the burden to the pillow tax?

I’m all about making sure our Fire and EMS crews have the money they need to operate, but lets not rush into this.

Al Ferranto does have a point about the 60K donation the township currently makes. Will the township continue to donate 60K? If the new tax generates 174K why not keep the 60K and use it elsewhere.

Here is a hypothetical for you, lets say for the past 5 years each year a fire company has received 200K in donations from the members of their community. Then the fire tax is enacted and the fire company receives 150K in tax revenue. Can the fire company still expect to receive the 200K in donations? Or will the homeowners skip the donation? If I’m already being taxed why would I donate? In the end the fire companies may end up with the same cash. Tax income up, donation income down.

Leeroy, first, the tax will not fall just on home owners, most businesses will still be required to pay, and if I am a property owner, I will surely pass the cost of the tax on to my renters. But I also agree that there are some who will not be taxed.

The money coming from the Pillow Tax is very strictly accounted for and the use is limited to just a few things.

As to an income tax, that would be interesting to see that all Adams County residents pay, but again we are missing a large number of people, including those who may work in Adams County, but live someplace else, and the tourist. But using an income tax to support the fire departments will mean that the Adams County property holder who lives in New Jersey, New York, or Florida will be having their property protected at the expense of those of us who live here.

I would like to see a county sales tax, that would get some money from the tourist, but since Adams County doesn’t want any businesses here, and most of us end up traveling to other communities to do major shopping, that wouldn’t do us much good either would it?

I do believe there should be some kind of Nobel prize for someone who can develop a method of paying for this that everyone would feel is fair and equitable to everyone.

As to how current donations will be affected by the tax, is up to the conscience of the individuals involved.

As I stated before, I currently contribute more than this tax will generate from my property. I will probably adjust my contribution deducting my tax from my contribution.

[Fire Marshal Bill]

Sept 26, 2013 8:28:03 GMT -5 Venter said:

I truly hope that they have figured out a Tax Figure that will take care of ALL of the Department Expenses!
Are we to assume that the Volunteers will STILL need to do their numerous fundraisers?
I hope that is not necessary.

We all know that VFDs are a type of Social Club too, but their camaraderie is an important part of helping them to act as a Team when duty calls.
I believe there will still be the Social Functions associated with VFDs, like Chicken Dinners, and Shrimp Feeds, but they shouldn't be a primary source of operating funds.
Maybe those funds go toward sprucing up the stations, helping their community, or buying and distributing smoke alarms.

These guys VOLUNTEER their TIME, not their lives (well, hopefully not their lives.)
After work, how many of you go out into the intersection, asking for Donations?

These same people crying about .25 mill have no issues with "tithing 10% to the church".
Okay, no sane person really tithes 10% to save their soul - but they'll balk at .25mill to save their home?

And think about how much hassle these institutions have regulating their "games of chance" in their efforts to raise money.
I think the Ultimate "Game of Chance" is the one they play with fire... FOR US!




Again, disclaimer, other than the very few events I've attended, and bought raffle tickets, etc. I do not actively donate to the Fire Department (or PBS and NPR, and I frequently use their services )

Venter, I have talked with a few people who feel that this tax, will take care of MOST necessary expenses. But very few believe it will take care of all their operating expenses.

I am sure there will still be some fund raisers necessary, and some of those “fund raisers” are almost community service.

Some departments have events that are expected by the community. I recall several years ago the Gettysburg Fire Department had to cancel the carnival because of rain, and the rides could not get in. The phone was ringing off the hook with people complaining, and the borough even got calls demanding that they make the department have the carnival.

People in the smaller communities look forward to these breakfast, dinners, gun raffles, and other events.

[lifesaver]

Two informative articles in the Times Today, one an LTE from Bob Gordon, president of Adams County Council of Governments, and another by Richard Alloway on the importance of the fire tax.  There will be a public hearing Oct. 26 at the Emergency Services Center on Greenamyer Lane for those interested in learning more.

Senator Alloway's article:

Staff/Guest Columns

Time to look at challenges



Posted: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 12:07 am | Updated: 8:19 am, Wed Oct 2, 2013.

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You spoke, and we listened.

Over the past two years, the Adams County Council of Governments has been studying equitable funding for our volunteer fire departments.

The group - which comprises the majority of the municipalities in the county - recently worked with a consultant to study those funding issues, and the results were sobering.

Our volunteer fire departments are underfunded, and given the nation's current economic woes, donations continue to decrease.

When the Council of Governments presented to me their legislative priorities for 2013, they asked the legislature to look at fire department and EMS funding.

As a result of that request, I am hosting the PA Senate Veterans Affairs and Emergency Preparedness Committee, as well as the Senate Policy Committee, in Adams County on Oct. 25 to hear your concerns.

The public hearing is being held from 10 a.m.-noon at the Adams County Emergency Services Center, 230 Greenamyer Lane, in Gettysburg. Committee members are seeking comment and input on the "Challenges Facing Firefighters Today."

It is an appropriate time to hold such a hearing, given our recent local discussions concerning an Adams County fire study, supporting volunteer emergency services and the potential reduction of ambulance service.

The eyes of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania are upon Adams County, because our local governments have been proactive in trying to solve our fire funding dilemma.

Topics discussed at the Oct. 25 hearing are likely to be diverse and complex in range, as there are many issues facing our firefighters and EMS service personnel. The panel is particularly interested in hearing your thoughts on recruitment and retention services, funding challenges and training costs.

Adams County Commissioner Chairman Randy Phiel is working with the Council of Governments and other agencies in organizing speakers for this critically-important hearing.

As I stated in a press release in this newspaper, this is a critically important time for our volunteer fire companies and firefighters. Donations are decreasing in these tough economic times and volunteer numbers continue to plummet.

State law dictates that municipalities have an obligation to provide fire protection and ambulance services to residents. However, a recent Adams County study found that fire departments are as a whole underfunded when compared to operating budgets.

Our volunteer companies are relying on donations alone, and that is not enough to ensure sustainability. It is vitally important to explore sustainability alternatives and keep our fire departments afloat. We rely on these heroes every day.

The PA Senate Veterans Affairs & Emergency Preparedness Committee is chaired by Senator Lisa Baker (R-Luzerne County). Please help me welcome these legislators into our community as we do our due diligence in assisting local governments with fire department funding and EMS services.

This is an excellent opportunity for Adams County! I hope our governing bodies take advantage.

Senator Richard Alloway II represents the 33rd District in the PA Senate.

And Bob Gordon's LTE

Letters To Editor

Fire tax is needed



Posted: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 12:07 am

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Editor, Gettysburg Times,

Adams County needs a fire tax!

We all react negatively when we hear the word tax! We also know it is difficult to find perfect solutions to problems and much in life may not be fair!

The 34 municipalties in Adams County need to enact the 0.25 mill fire tax as recommended by the countywide study commissioned by the Council of Governments. One municipality (Berwick) currrently has a fire tax of 0.20 mills and Fairfield Borough just enacted a 0.25 mill tax. Average projected cost for each residential county taxpayer is $4 to $5 monthly. A real bargain in order to maintain our volunteer fire/EMS unites in our county.

Questions have been asked by some abouyt renters. They pay through their landlord (rent) same as they pay their county, township, borough, and school taxes. Some have stated to the press that our proposal is not fair and we should have a flat tax and everyone pay the same and not have it based on the assessed value of the real estate you own. My response to that is, I agree, but we have to work within the current laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Until such time we can get the laws changed, we will continue our efforts to change the existing laws.

The laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania charge the county with the duty to provide the 911 Emergency Services Center and Emergency Management and the boroughs and townships with the emergency medical services. The laws also provide for a dedicated fire tax up to 3 mills to pay for these services. You see a seperate line item on your tax bill so you know what you contribute and it is accountable. We have developed a list of what fire company expenses may be submitted to the municipality for reimbursement from this fire tax. We have also suggested each municipality establish a memorandum of understanding between the municipality and the fire company. In other words, a written contract to provide the services that the law states we shall provide.

The time is here for positive action and I hope your local elected officials will enact this tax to provide this necessary service that we all depend on when we need it.

I ask your readers to please support their elected officials and their volunteers fire departments. Questions? Talk to your local fire department. Thank you!

More info can be found at www.accog.us.

Bob Gordon,

President, Adams County Council of Governments