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Post by SFP on Nov 19, 2010 11:01:09 GMT -5
If I can point something out regarding all of this debate on the casino - there's a thread on Topix that illustrates how far overboard I think this has all gone.
The thread there is called "What are casinos odds?". It started on September 5th and now has a total of 600 comments , the last one being yesterday.
People on both sides going back and forth, name calling, each getting in their points. Doesn't that just seem like its beating a dead horse?
I mean debate is fine, and I've never shied away from mixing it up, but at what point do we cross the line? When is it enough?
Admittedly, a few months ago, that could have been me as well, but I just guess it was time for me to take a look at where to put my time and effort, look at things from a different perspective.
This is Remembrance weekend, there will be plenty of folks in town to observe the Gettysburg Address anniversary. Its good for the town, the shops and the local economy to say the least.
Its also a great chance to see some old out of town friends who come in for the festivities, share some food, drink and friendship.
Life's too short to do otherwise. Enjoy the weekend.
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Post by Venter on Nov 19, 2010 11:15:36 GMT -5
SFP, As you are aware, Topix threads take on a life of their own. I think that's because of the anonymity and the shear scope of the site. It is decidedly a more National Forum than either BoroVENT or the PROCasino or NCG sites. BUT, that is ALSO because it is literally the ONLY Forum that is "truly neutral", and allows DIALOGUE between the factions. BoroVENT gives that "neutral" opportunity, but as you know, most Casino Opponents tend to jump in, and then leave quickly. We aren't "Pro" by design or by regulation, it just seems to happen that way. [Or maybe, just maybe, it's because the MAJORITY of the Locals are PRO Casino!?]
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Post by HoneyBadger on Nov 19, 2010 13:17:54 GMT -5
SFP, As you are aware, Topix threads take on a life of their own. I think that's because of the anonymity and the shear scope of the site. It is decidedly a more National Forum than either BoroVENT or the PROCasino or NCG sites. BUT, that is ALSO because it is literally the ONLY Forum that is "truly neutral", and allows DIALOGUE between the factions. BoroVENT gives that "neutral" opportunity, but as you know, most Casino Opponents tend to jump in, and then leave quickly. We aren't "Pro" by design or by regulation, it just seems to happen that way. [Or maybe, just maybe, it's because the MAJORITY of the Locals are PRO Casino!?] I wasn't alive in 1863 and I don't give a fig about Remembrance weekend. I do care about Hood and by by casino and some of those other No Casino goons on Topix dumping on me because they know who I am. I wish they'd provide their names and show their faces and say to me in person what they are saying in complete anonymity. I'm disabled, I'm sick, I can't hurt them. Why are they afraid...or is it shame?
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Post by lifesaver on Nov 19, 2010 14:31:17 GMT -5
SFP, As you are aware, Topix threads take on a life of their own. I think that's because of the anonymity and the shear scope of the site. It is decidedly a more National Forum than either BoroVENT or the PROCasino or NCG sites. BUT, that is ALSO because it is literally the ONLY Forum that is "truly neutral", and allows DIALOGUE between the factions. BoroVENT gives that "neutral" opportunity, but as you know, most Casino Opponents tend to jump in, and then leave quickly. We aren't "Pro" by design or by regulation, it just seems to happen that way. [Or maybe, just maybe, it's because the MAJORITY of the Locals are PRO Casino!?] I wasn't alive in 1963 and I don't give a fig about Remembrance weekend. I do care about Hood and by by casino and some of those other No Casino goons on Topix dumping on me because they know who I am. I wish they'd provide their names and show their faces and say to me in person what they are saying in complete anonymity. I'm disabled, I'm sick, I can't hurt them. Why are they afraid...or is it shame? They are afraid, Townie, you have a voice and a brain to go along with it. You are way more dangerous to them than you could ever imagine.
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Post by HoneyBadger on Nov 19, 2010 15:57:30 GMT -5
I wasn't alive in 1963 and I don't give a fig about Remembrance weekend. I do care about Hood and by by casino and some of those other No Casino goons on Topix dumping on me because they know who I am. I wish they'd provide their names and show their faces and say to me in person what they are saying in complete anonymity. I'm disabled, I'm sick, I can't hurt them. Why are they afraid...or is it shame? They are afraid, Townie, you have a voice and a brain to go along with it. You are way more dangerous to them than you could ever imagine. If that is the case, they are not chasing me away. I've been put down and kicked around most of my life and I've accepted it. I've been taking crap for the past couple of months that I never should have allowed to happen and now I'm mad as hell and I'm not putting up with anyone's insults and dismissal of me any more. If they thought I was a bitch before - the war has just begun and they provide so much ammunition for me.
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Post by SpellChecker on Nov 19, 2010 16:29:59 GMT -5
FT,
for the love of god please start protecting yourself on the internet better. I highly suggest you start using other screen names as well as using measures to throw them off as to whom you are with them.
IMO topix is nothing more than a few elite NCG members who post there because they can say things that they can't eny where else. which is the same exact reason they refuse to come here. It's susan and company making those posts and Id venture to say most of them use multple names.
You will not win the fight youre trying to fight with them for the simple fact that they know exactly who you are, where you work etc.... you have no idea whom youre even talking to.
The best way to combat them here is to not play their game and fall into their traps which is exactly what you currently do.
Me personaly I know who they all are so instead of trying to figure out which one it is I just take a crap in each one of their yards (figuritivly speaking) hint hint...
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Post by Alex Oreilly on Nov 19, 2010 17:36:11 GMT -5
Personally, I dont care what Sal and the NCG people think anymore, They know they are the minoirty. And the ones who use the dirty tactics are the ones who have to look at themselves in the mirror everyday.
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Post by HoneyBadger on Nov 19, 2010 17:56:11 GMT -5
FT, for the love of god please start protecting yourself on the internet better. I highly suggest you start using other screen names as well as using measures to throw them off as to whom you are with them. IMO topix is nothing more than a few elite NCG members who post there because they can say things that they can't eny where else. which is the same exact reason they refuse to come here. It's susan and company making those posts and Id venture to say most of them use multple names. You will not win the fight youre trying to fight with them for the simple fact that they know exactly who you are, where you work etc.... you have no idea whom youre even talking to. The best way to combat them here is to not play their game and fall into their traps which is exactly what you currently do. Me personaly I know who they all are so instead of trying to figure out which one it is I just take a crap in each one of their yards (figuritivly speaking) hint hint... SpellChecker, I don't care what they do to me. The damage was done at the hearing when my name was called. They knew FormerT and they knew my real name because I had posted it here. When some of them heard my name called to stand for Venter to speak for me I could hear the gasps and murmurings from Violet, Keith, Dani and a couple other crazies. When Sharon exposed me further on Topix the damage was done. Truthfully, they could firebomb my house and it wouldn't make a difference. I'm too sick and too tired to let it bother me. I am not a person who succeeds at lying - it's not my nature. What I will do - because you pose a very valid point - is stay away from Topix entirely. The reason I outed myself here was because it's who I am. Believe me SpellChecker, they can't hurt me any worse than they already have. And someone else has hurt me more. It's a lose lose proposition for me at this point.
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Post by SFP on Nov 19, 2010 23:51:06 GMT -5
My point exactly for this posting. Some of this is completely out of hand and to what point? I'm talking about some people from both sides of any issue.
Once and awhile, I read Topix, but ultimately its the same stuff by the same people every time there is a letter, casino or any other subject. Once and awhile, I might make a post where I might think it matters, but the last time something really irked me, I ended up writing a letter. I think more people see whats printed in the paper as compared to on-line comments, because only the same few people are tracking what happens on line and respond. The majority of people still just read the paper.
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Post by SpellChecker on Nov 20, 2010 2:01:31 GMT -5
just curious sal why do you always post this stuff here and not on your own page? Everything being talked about here is something someone from your side did. I don't remeber seeing anything ever really being said as far as a pro doing stuff other than getting into heated arguments on the internet. It's people on your side who were CAUGHT steaing signs, people have the exact names of certain people from your group who called trying to get pros fired and repremanded from their military leaders, your group made many threats of boycott and again it's in black and white all over the internet.
So why do you come here trying to talk us down off the ledge?
Also since you brought up the the last time something irked you, you wrote a letter.
You felt compeled to correct Rich Kittener and write a letter but why haven't you ever felt the need to correct Violet,susan and keith in instances they have clearly been wrong? Even here when people ask you about those instances you either disapear and never respond or you babble off into left field with a "yea but the pro's did this" story in an effort to take the light off what ever someone on your side did and shift the blame to a pro.
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Post by SFP on Nov 20, 2010 2:39:34 GMT -5
just curious sal why do you always post this stuff here and not on your own page? Everything being talked about here is something someone from your side did. I don't remeber seeing anything ever really being said as far as a pro doing stuff other than getting into heated arguments on the internet. It's people on your side who were CAUGHT steaing signs, people have the exact names of certain people from your group who called trying to get pros fired and repremanded from their military leaders, your group made many threats of boycott and again it's in black and white all over the internet. So why do you come here trying to talk us down off the ledge? Also since you brought up the the last time something irked you, you wrote a letter. You felt compeled to correct Rich Kittener and write a letter but why haven't you ever felt the need to correct Violet,susan and keith in instances they have clearly been wrong? Even here when people ask you about those instances you either disapear and never respond or you babble off into left field with a "yea but the pro's did this" story in an effort to take the light off what ever someone on your side did and shift the blame to a pro. Because I choose my own places to comment. They don't bother me the way Mr Kitner did on that issue, and I'm not worried that your not happy with them, you seem to post plenty enough about them. I don't see you posting about any Pros either. I don't post on the NCG site very often because plenty of others do. If I want to say something I'll add to the discussion. I really don't bother to post on the Pro site either, because the same way I didn't appreciate the way some people wanted to take a dump on our site, I'd not found it necessary to take a dump on the Pro site for the same reason. Gene says this is supposed to be an open forum, so here I am. If you remember, I left chatting on your little kingdom, and came over here - before you did. Actually, I'm not posting a whole lot anywhere anymore, including here like I used to. Just have other priorities and places where I need to focus my efforts. A lot of the members here only post now and again and thats where I am at the moment. Again, I go to my original point - perspective - which was why I started this string. In goes in line with trying to maintain civility when this casino issue is done in a month or two.
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Nov 20, 2010 7:46:07 GMT -5
This is a perfect example of how clueless you are. Regardless of how much you guys would like to believe that people actively support you I just went over to your Facebook page. There's about 60 posts up including comments on the first page. 37 of them are from Susan, 5 from Libby, maybe 10 from Vi, a couple from Charles, and all of about 4 from people not named Libby, Susan, Charles, Jean/Dan Siderio, or Violet. How many of them actually live in this state or on this continent? All you have are postcards Sal. I guess that's why you guys are clinging so tightly to them and the bogus petitions you have. You guys have nothing going on locally. Nada. If you want to see what it really looks like to have a lot of local people posting on a site click on over to the PCAC FB page. You're on an island Sal and whether a casino comes on not you guys have all been exposed.
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Post by gettysburger on Nov 20, 2010 8:12:49 GMT -5
Right on Rainier, this is one thing I can't stand about the NCG argument. On the Bob Durgin show they blasted Terry Madonna for not polling close enough to where the casino is physically going to be (even though he did) because this is a LOCAL issue. Susan kept saying that over and over again. Weeks later I'm looking at their FB page, and these videos they are producing, both of which feature people who do not live anywhere close to here! Now they are saying it's a NATIONAL issue. Make up your minds.
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Post by SpellChecker on Nov 20, 2010 12:30:47 GMT -5
Because I choose my own places to comment.. Oh so in other words you CHOSE to come here and lecture us on being nice to your NCG brethern but you didn't choose to tell them they should also be nice. They don't bother me the way Mr Kitner did on that issue, . Thats fine sal I just dont understand why it bothered you sooooo much when a pro made a statement you deemed wrong but when it's constantly done on your side it doesnt bother you.......thats all I don't post on the NCG site very often because plenty of others do. If I want to say something I'll add to the discussion.. I didnt ask you how often you post on differnt sites, I asked why you felt compelled to post it here and no where else specifically to your own group. . Gene says this is supposed to be an open forum, so here I am. If you remember, I left chatting on your little kingdom, and came over here - before you did. . Well wait a minute I thought your group deemed this a pro casino web site? ? Here you are again changing the rules to suit your latest argument. Which is it sal is this a pro casino web site or is it a nuetral one? My head is spinning so fast I really cant keep up Again, I go to my original point - perspective - which was why I started this string. In goes in line with trying to maintain civility when this casino issue is done in a month or two. OK you want to maintain civiliy thats fine but you still wont answer why don't preach this to your own group? You make it a point to look down on us and preach to us about how we should be while totaly ignoring and excusing everything from your own side. once again you made whole big post around a question that was asked of you and you dodged the whole question with a sting of BS about where you post and a million other things not pertaining to the question.
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Post by HoneyBadger on Nov 20, 2010 13:24:38 GMT -5
Now someone from Topix posted the name of the street on which GBMom lives. Why are the NCG people attacking women - single women - who are at the greatest risk of being harmed by some of their fanatics?
Susan could rein some of these lunatics in if she chose but instead she encourages her minions to continue to attack individuals. If one of us is hurt what will Susan do? Deny, deny, deny is my guess. Blame us for exercising our right to speak and absolve herself and her cronies for consistently agitating mentally ill people who believe that she is a leader to be respected.
My daughter has the same degrees as Susan plus a few more. My daughter is actually using those degrees to help people heal themselves. Susan is using her "vast" education to stir up the masses. Keep going Madame DeFarge. The guillotine may drop on the wrong head - whatever shall you do then? You can't put together what has been totally ripped asunder.
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Post by weekender on Nov 20, 2010 14:18:03 GMT -5
Now someone from Topix posted the name of the street on which GBMom lives. Wow, that is really disturbing. Not that I think that any of those loons would do anything, but it certainly is more than a veiled threat... Something along the lines of Soprano's, '"I know where you live so you better watch yourself, because we are wathcing you... " FT, you know why SSP does nothing, it is because it suits her cause AND because she is as sick as the rest of them. As I have said before, just because she fancies herself a "mental health professional" that does not mean she is mentally healthy.... If she were, she would shut those sorts of threats down...
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Post by HoneyBadger on Nov 20, 2010 18:29:53 GMT -5
Now someone from Topix posted the name of the street on which GBMom lives. Wow, that is really disturbing. Not that I think that any of those loons would do anything, but it certainly is more than a veiled threat... Something along the lines of Soprano's, '"I know where you live so you better watch yourself, because we are wathcing you... " FT, you know why SSP does nothing, it is because it suits her cause AND because she is as sick as the rest of them. As I have said before, just because she fancies herself a "mental health professional" that does not mean she is mentally healthy.... If she were, she would shut those sorts of threats down... Yes, she mentions that BV member "troll" her site. And of course her flying monkeys don't troll BV. Where else do they get their information?
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Post by Fire Marshal Bill on Nov 20, 2010 18:32:47 GMT -5
Wow, that is really disturbing. Not that I think that any of those loons would do anything, but it certainly is more than a veiled threat... Something along the lines of Soprano's, '"I know where you live so you better watch yourself, because we are wathcing you... " FT, you know why SSP does nothing, it is because it suits her cause AND because she is as sick as the rest of them. As I have said before, just because she fancies herself a "mental health professional" that does not mean she is mentally healthy.... If she were, she would shut those sorts of threats down... Yes, she mentions that BV member "troll" her site. And of course her flying monkeys don't troll BV. Where else do they get their information? But the big difference is that they are free to post here if they like, but people they don't approve of can't post there.
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Post by lifesaver on Nov 20, 2010 19:52:16 GMT -5
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Post by SpellChecker on Nov 20, 2010 21:24:19 GMT -5
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Post by Fire Marshal Bill on Nov 21, 2010 10:27:55 GMT -5
Does anyone else see a problem with this? The mourning bands were made by a 4H group for distribution as a TRADITIONAL tribute to the fallen. The mourning bands were distributed by NCG. I don't have a problem with that at all. What I do have a problem with is that NCG, presumed a TRADITIONAL symbol of remembrance would also be PRESUMED to be a sign of solidarity for their cause. They have no shame. As said before, they have no shame. I wonder how many of those wearing the arm bands realize they are doing it in solidarity with NCG? And maybe the money will be used for the law suite I hear about on topix, or to plan and support their picketing that comes up from time to time from some individuals
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Post by SpellChecker on Nov 21, 2010 10:51:08 GMT -5
I havent been reading topix what law suit are they planning and who do they want to sue now?
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Post by Fire Marshal Bill on Nov 21, 2010 11:23:04 GMT -5
I havent been reading topix what law suit are they planning and who do they want to sue now? Oh it only comes up once in a while, with someone, of course from out of state. They talk about how the opening will be delayed because of the law suits, and how they will be picketing the place. I don't actually think it will happen as what grounds would they have?
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Nov 21, 2010 13:34:27 GMT -5
What grounds? This is America. You can sue anyone any time for any reason.
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Post by dspitz17325 on Nov 21, 2010 15:35:53 GMT -5
Heres the real perspective in about 5 weeks we will all have to find something new to bitch about but the good news is that we live in Adams county so there is always something to bitch about .
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