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Post by SpellChecker on Dec 5, 2010 22:11:22 GMT -5
"19.6% of all Gettysburgians think Keith Miller is an asshole · 80% of all Gettysburgians KNOW Keith Miller is an ASSHOLE. · 87% of 129% of Keith Miller's Statistics are 89.4% bullshit · The other 94.34679% is 100% bullshit" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aside from some very interesting math (presumably done to demonstrate his wittiness), Venter ought to be able to accurately just who is an anal sphincter due to his extremely close inspection of DLV's for the last several years. Keep up the sniffin', V. sal too busy to respond, or is he just sick and tired of getting caught in lies and figured it was time for someone else to come over and take his place?
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Post by HoneyBadger on Dec 6, 2010 9:26:51 GMT -5
Venter, if for a moment I believed that your nose was up anyone's ass I'd be appalled. You aren't that kind of man; if you were you wouldn't buck the system at council meetings. Hell, you wouldn't bother with any of this.
Having said that, you know damned well that my nose isn't up anyone's ass because no one would let me get that close!
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Post by orrtannaoracle on Dec 6, 2010 9:34:36 GMT -5
Thanks for rising to the bait, exactly as anticipated.
Why do I need "good luck" in remaining online? Because I'm not close-minded enough to hang with all of you enlightened folks? Or is Venter going to revoke my posting privileges due to my failure to adequately kiss his butt?
To answer Venter's question: up to your ears is my guess.
"Saint Suzie"? As hard as this may be for all of you to accept, I have no affiliation with the No Casino cabal. I've never met any of them, never donated a cent and frankly don't care whether or not the casino arrives. Other than my very rare trips to Mickey D's on Steinwehr, I never patronize any business out there. The "too close to the battlefield" argument is specious IMO; that site is no more offensive than all the tourist-schlock shops you pass by on the southern routes out of town which are closer to the battlefield.
I do think that DLV's proposal is cheap in its scope and appeal. As someone who regularly attended business conferences in Atlantic City for the better part of a decade and wagered all of $.50 in those years (my wife donated the quarters), simply recycling the current facility is pretty cheesy when compared to real "casinos". MD is proposing to operate an upgraded slots parlor, it certainly doesn't fit my concept of a "resort". But if it floats your boat, that's not my problem. Have at it. At least this time around, we haven't been flooded with promotional materials. Some printer made a small fortune on all those glossy fliers. And no ridiculous comparisons to the Greenbriar. I took those references as a day on which LaTorre was abusing his medicine cabinet.
Having carefully followed the DLV proposals both times, I think he's trying to sell iron pyrite in his statements about the supposed economic benefits to Adams County but as approving it doesn't cost me any cash, I really don't care what happens. If DLV/PN runs a typical casino operation, the patrons will be well fed on site - no need to patronize the very few downtown restaurants worth the visit. And the majority of MD employees are hardly going to have a substantial impact on resurrecting the dismal housing market; $40K per year gross doesn't net enough to raise a family of four very much beyond the local trailer parks.
The only real beneficiaries if approved - Cumberland Township taxpayers. I just hope that their solicitor wrote a very tight agreement that protects the township after DLV sells out, which I suspect will be within several years. Beyond the minimum payment, they should have held out for an escalator clause tied to a percentage of the annual gross. If the casino is as successful as many tout it will be, the supervisors went into the ditch for too little. Don't be surprised when MD, or its successor organization, files a tax appeal about their assessed value.
What has always been a question to me about the latest proposal - is DLV simply a blind for Penn National? I haven't convinced myself that that is true because I can't figure out why PN didn't just pitch it for themselves. Their Grantville and WVa operations appear to be well-run; the Casino Board knows them so there's no reason to think another casino for them would have been viewed negatively. Lashinger's presence also puzzles me - what exactly is his value when it's been acknowledged that he will (supposedly) pull out once it is approved? With layoffs in the thousands in Atlantic City and the general economic climate, Penn National should be able to find plenty of experienced personnel to staff the upper-level staff positions.
One of the drawbacks that I foresee in the near-future is that Maryland will site one or more casinos in the market bordered by I-83, I-70 and I81. Plenty of disposable income, easy access from Montgomery County, NoVa and DC; why let that cash escape to Pennsy? Their state budget situation is a bit better than ours but they can use the income too. I wish I owned a couple hundred acres of land on I-70 out near New Market or Mt. Airy.
Have a good day.
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Post by HoneyBadger on Dec 6, 2010 9:41:15 GMT -5
Thanks for rising to the bait, exactly as anticipated. Why do I need "good luck" in remaining online? Because I'm not close-minded enough to hang with all of you enlightened folks? Or is Venter going to revoke my posting privileges due to my failure to adequately kiss his butt? To answer Venter's question: up to your ears is my guess. "Saint Suzie"? As hard as this may be for all of you to accept, I have no affiliation with the No Casino cabal. I've never met any of them, never donated a cent and frankly don't care whether or not the casino arrives. Other than my very rare trips to Mickey D's on Steinwehr, I never patronize any business out there. The "too close to the battlefield" argument is specious IMO; that site is no more offensive than all the tourist-schlock shops you pass by on the southern routes out of town which are closer to the battlefield. I do think that DLV's proposal is cheap in its scope and appeal. As someone who regularly attended business conferences in Atlantic City for the better part of a decade and wagered all of $.50 in those years (my wife donated the quarters), simply recycling the current facility is pretty cheesy when compared to real "casinos". MD is proposing to operate an upgraded slots parlor, it certainly doesn't fit my concept of a "resort". But if it floats your boat, that's not my problem. Have at it. At least this time around, we haven't been flooded with promotional materials. Some printer made a small fortune on all those glossy fliers. And no ridiculous comparisons to the Greenbriar. I took those references as a day on which LaTorre was abusing his medicine cabinet. Having carefully followed the DLV proposals both times, I think he's trying to sell iron pyrite in his statements about the supposed economic benefits to Adams County but as approving it doesn't cost me any cash, I really don't care what happens. If DLV/PN runs a typical casino operation, the patrons will be well fed on site - no need to patronize the very few downtown restaurants worth the visit. And the majority of MD employees are hardly going to have a substantial impact on resurrecting the dismal housing market; $40K per year gross doesn't net enough to raise a family of four very much beyond the local trailer parks. The only real beneficiaries if approved - Cumberland Township taxpayers. I just hope that their solicitor wrote a very tight agreement that protects the township after DLV sells out, which I suspect will be within several years. Beyond the minimum payment, they should have held out for an escalator clause tied to a percentage of the annual gross. If the casino is as successful as many tout it will be, the supervisors went into the ditch for too little. Don't be surprised when MD, or its successor organization, files a tax appeal about their assessed value. What has always been a question to me about the latest proposal - is DLV simply a blind for Penn National? I haven't convinced myself that that is true because I can't figure out why PN didn't just pitch it for themselves. Their Grantville and WVa operations appear to be well-run; the Casino Board knows them so there's no reason to think another casino for them would have been viewed negatively. Lashinger's presence also puzzles me - what exactly is his value when it's been acknowledged that he will (supposedly) pull out once it is approved? With layoffs in the thousands in Atlantic City and the general economic climate, Penn National should be able to find plenty of experienced personnel to staff the upper-level staff positions. One of the drawbacks that I foresee in the near-future is that Maryland will site one or more casinos in the market bordered by I-83, I-70 and I81. Plenty of disposable income, easy access from Montgomery County, NoVa and DC; why let that cash escape to Pennsy? Their state budget situation is a bit better than ours but they can use the income too. I wish I owned a couple hundred acres of land on I-70 out near New Market or Mt. Airy. Have a good day. Wow! Are you always this pleasant? And are you an oracle because the gods are speaking through you? If so, will N ever be mine? Do I have to sacrifice something to you? If so, can it be something already dead because I've never killed a mammal. I don't think that I could do that.
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Post by orrtannaoracle on Dec 6, 2010 9:57:03 GMT -5
To FormerT: try commenting on what I said (after the suitable retort to the juvenile who "owns" this site). I'm willing to listen, unlike the Pro crowd. As I said, I don't care what the decision is but collective myopia and ignorance is not the solution. Look at where that has taken our country.
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Post by Venter on Dec 6, 2010 10:39:35 GMT -5
Orrtannaoracle, Now that was a bit better... after the juvenile snipes at me. As far as your statement, "Thanks for rising to the bait, exactly as anticipated..." I guess you must be a master-baiter!
I do wonder though, why you decided to come into my space, and proceed to spew shit onto my pages before you actually began speaking. Were you just trying to set the tone of your rant? It didn't work - you turned everyone off. It was unnecessary, and you would have been taken a lot more seriously if you had forgone the insults.
Did you intend to get banned before you even got started?
Anyway, now that you've settled down a bit, maybe someone will want to address your issues. You need to read the Rules and Regs though. They're at the top of every Forum Page.
Email or message me if you have problems.
Thanks, Venter
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Post by orrtannaoracle on Dec 6, 2010 11:31:11 GMT -5
And are you an oracle because the gods are speaking through you? Nope, I just like alliteration. And to advertise that, thankfully, I do not reside in the Borough of Mismanagement.
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Post by HoneyBadger on Dec 6, 2010 11:37:55 GMT -5
To FormerT: try commenting on what I said (after the suitable retort to the juvenile who "owns" this site). I'm willing to listen, unlike the Pro crowd. As I said, I don't care what the decision is but collective myopia and ignorance is not the solution. Look at where that has taken our country. Why the hell should I take you seriously?
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Post by HoneyBadger on Dec 6, 2010 11:39:03 GMT -5
And are you an oracle because the gods are speaking through you? Nope, I just like alliteration. And to advertise that, thankfully, I do not reside in the Borough of Mismanagement. Nor do I.
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Post by SpellChecker on Dec 6, 2010 11:40:47 GMT -5
"Saint Suzie"? As hard as this may be for all of you to accept, I have no affiliation with the No Casino cabal. I've never met any of them, never donated a cent and frankly don't care whether or not the casino arrives. With your childish entrance onto this board what would you expect them to think? Having carefully followed the DLV proposals both times, I think he's trying to sell iron pyrite in his statements about the supposed economic benefits to Adams County but as approving it doesn't cost me any cash, I really don't care what happens. How so? I have seen numerous articles and reports showing how much other areas have gotten from their casino's why would it be any differnt here? If DLV/PN runs a typical casino operation, the patrons will be well fed on site - no need to patronize the very few downtown restaurants worth the visit. SO? Also youre forgetting that there are other places for them spend their money besides eating. As well. I freaquently travel to casinos and I ALWAY'S travel outside of the casino to eat on every trip as to other things as well. My wife almost always shops in the local stores around the casinos. And the majority of MD employees are hardly going to have a substantial impact on resurrecting the dismal housing market; $40K per year gross doesn't net enough to raise a family of four very much beyond the local trailer parks. Are you serious? Do you even have any idea what the avg, income for a husband and wife in Adams county is? the last time I saw this wich admittadly was a few years ago it wasn't but maybe 10k higher and thats for both. The only real beneficiaries if approved - Cumberland Township taxpayers. I just hope that their solicitor wrote a very tight agreement that protects the township after DLV sells out, which I suspect will be within several years. Beyond the minimum payment, they should have held out for an escalator clause tied to a percentage of the annual gross. If youre this concerned did you ever speak anyone on the board of supervisors in cumberland twsp.? If not why? you made it a point to come here and in your first post call out and insult Gene you could just have easily talked about it with his wife in civil manner. Or even went to a meeting and said your piece to all of them. Lashinger's presence also puzzles me - what exactly is his value when it's been acknowledged that he will (supposedly) pull out once it is approved? Above you said you have followed these proposals closely and yet you don't understand what lashingers motives are here? With layoffs in the thousands in Atlantic City and the general economic climate, Penn National should be able to find plenty of experienced personnel to staff the upper-level staff positions. This hasn't happened as any where yet. Pa casinos have not just PN have a track record of hiring local and DL has promised to do the same. At some point I have to believe him I mean after all he does have a good track record here. Sorry I just can't always think everyone is a liar and the sky falling while someone is looking to screw me. However that seems to be your take on everything. One of the drawbacks that I foresee in the near-future is that Maryland will site one or more casinos in the market bordered by I-83, I-70 and I81. Plenty of disposable income, easy access from Montgomery County, NoVa and DC; why let that cash escape to Pennsy? Maryland doesn't have table games (yet any way) and I haven't heard any talk of them getting them (yet). Given the choice many casino goes would prefer a full casino over a slot only casino
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Post by orrtannaoracle on Dec 6, 2010 13:06:57 GMT -5
No, I don't understand Lashinger's motive/s. Please explain them as you understand them. If there was an article that adequately delineated them, I might have missed it. I spent 5+ weeks in the hospital last year, perhaps a story ran then. Thanks.
I don't live in Cumberland Twp. and feel it would be intrusive to poke into someone else's government. I have no standing there, why should they listen to me? Isn't that the oft-repeated response to out-of-towners' opinions about casinos in Gettysburg? Having spent years in local government I know what my reaction was when that happened.
How many experienced dealers and table/floor managers currently live in Adams County? I don't doubt DLV's intent but I wonder if he can actually recruit those persons without leaving the county. Do you have data that supports your contention that AC staff haven't relocated to PA?
My reference to $40K/year was for both spouses combined. Sorry, I didn't word it very well.
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Post by SpellChecker on Dec 6, 2010 15:10:21 GMT -5
No, I don't understand Lashinger's motive/s. Please explain them as you understand them. If there was an article that adequately delineated them, I might have missed it. I spent 5+ weeks in the hospital last year, perhaps a story ran then. Thanks. Well it seems quite obvious to me that his motivation here is $$$ isn't that what makes the world go round? I don't live in Cumberland Twp. and feel it would be intrusive to poke into someone else's government. I have no standing there, why should they listen to me? Isn't that the oft-repeated response to out-of-towners' opinions about casinos in Gettysburg? Having spent years in local government I know what my reaction was when that happened. So then why are you so bothered by it? How many experienced dealers and table/floor managers currently live in Adams County? I can tell you from personal experince there are more than you think. Again if you were as smart you seem to think you are and have done ANY homework on this at all before shooting off your mouth you would also know that everyone of these casinos have either brought in a dealer school or made their own to train the locals they hired. Further more I'll shoot your own question back at you. Can you show me anything to support your ideas that these people will be brought in from NJ? Think of it like this WV has a handfull of casino's MD is opening theirs and PA has a handfull of casinos as well do you really think all of the people working these casino's came from NJ? ?? I don't doubt DLV's intent but I wonder if he can actually recruit those persons without leaving the county. Again do your homework. He doesn't need to recruit anyone they will have a dealer school and train whom ever they hire. There are some pretty shitty dealers out there but it really that hard nor does it take that long to learn. Do you have data that supports your contention that AC staff haven't relocated to PA? Yes! first off there articles on the differnt casino's in PA hiring locals and sending them through their deal schools to train them. There are also news stories and articles that explain how many locals were hired by the differnt casinos. Google can be your friend as well as the boroughvent archives. As well why would there be a need for the dealer schools if they were importing dealers? My reference to $40K/year was for both spouses combined. Sorry, I didn't word it very well. So then I'll ask what is your point? one person working at the casino making 25-45k a year doesn't tell you what both spouces make. Did you ever stop to think that perhaps one of the spouces already has a job and perhaps the other got laid off and all they need was a job making 25-30k a year to supliment the other spouces income? My wife makes less money than I do but we still appreciate the income and benifits she has even though we could make it on my income if we had to. I don't have insurance because I'm self employeed but while she doesn't make allot of money she has great benifits which to some people can mean even more than having a small income. I'm not saying this to be rude or take a shot at you but you really are the classic case of someone who seems to lean to one side or the other of this issue, yet you know very little about the true details. The reason you weren't well recieved here wasn't because they hate anyone who disagrees it was because you came in here attacking people and then you have quite a bit of your own argument blantantly wrong or twisted. I don't fault you for that because I'm sure some of it came from people who might have wanted you to believe certain things or give the perception that certain things were differnt than they actually are.
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Post by orrtannaoracle on Dec 6, 2010 15:55:13 GMT -5
My sole sources have been the Times and Evening Sun articles, websites such as this and comments appended to print stories; I don't watch or listen to any local news sources. So much for your certainty about my info. I have never spoken about the MD proposal to anyone on either side of the issue. My interest in the story is because it is the cause célèbre in Adams County these days. "Lashinger is in it for the $$$." Duh. I was hoping for a better explanation from an informed source. Who's bothered? I'm amused that my expectations are proving to be correct.
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Post by SpellChecker on Dec 6, 2010 16:04:49 GMT -5
"Lashinger is in it for the $$$." Duh. I was hoping for a better explanation from an informed source. Well I mean what else do you want him to be in it for? ?? if youre looking for nude pictures of him and Levan together I'm sorry I cant help ya there. Who's bothered? I'm amused that my expectations are proving to be correct. what internet porn not amusing for you anymore so you decided to take up trolling boroughvent?
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Post by orrtannaoracle on Dec 6, 2010 16:17:15 GMT -5
Based upon your avatar's text, that's definitely an amusing observation.
For someone who is self-employed, you seem to have an awful lot of spare time on your hands. I'm retired so I can goof off and have cheerful chats with people such as you.
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Post by SpellChecker on Dec 6, 2010 16:22:49 GMT -5
Based upon your avatar's text, that's definitely an amusing observation. Never said I had anything agaisnt porn. Just thought maybe it lost it's luster with you. For someone who is self-employed, you seem to have an awful lot of time on your hands. I'm retired so I can goof off and have cheerful chats with people such as you. [/quote] Been working this whole time I've been talking with you
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Post by Fire Marshal Bill on Dec 6, 2010 16:34:56 GMT -5
Based upon your avatar's text, that's definitely an amusing observation. Never said I had anything agaisnt porn. Just thought maybe it lost it's luster with you. For someone who is self-employed, you seem to have an awful lot of time on your hands. I'm retired so I can goof off and have cheerful chats with people such as you. Been working this whole time I've been talking with you [/quote] I love porn also, but my pornograph broke on me, does anyone know were I can get a new one, or even slightly used.
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Post by SpellChecker on Dec 6, 2010 16:41:04 GMT -5
Never said I had anything agaisnt porn. Just thought maybe it lost it's luster with you. For someone who is self-employed, you seem to have an awful lot of time on your hands. I'm retired so I can goof off and have cheerful chats with people such as you. Been working this whole time I've been talking with you I love porn also, but my pornograph broke on me, does anyone know were I can get a new one, or even slightly used.[/quote] i'd post ya some links but I don't want to offend any of the ladies here
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Post by lifesaver on Dec 6, 2010 19:48:19 GMT -5
My sole sources have been the Times and Evening Sun articles, websites such as this and comments appended to print stories; I don't watch or listen to any local news sources. So much for your certainty about my info. I have never spoken about the MD proposal to anyone on either side of the issue. My interest in the story is because it is the cause célèbre in Adams County these days. "Lashinger is in it for the $$$." Duh. I was hoping for a better explanation from an informed source. Who's bothered? I'm amused that my expectations are proving to be correct. Got quite a chip on your shoulder don't you Oracle? Admittedly you know nothing about the Mason Dixon project beyond news articles and internet boards. Do you think if you read the proposal you may be a little more informed as to some of the questions you are asking? Seeing as you are retired with lots of time on your hands that shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by lifesaver on Dec 6, 2010 19:53:55 GMT -5
I'm willing to listen, unlike the Pro crowd. As I said, I don't care what the decision is but collective myopia and ignorance is not the solution. Look at where that has taken our country. Interesting response. Were you referring to yourself with the collective myopia and ignorance reference? If so, welcome, you have come to the right place. Just make sure you have your big boy pants on when you post.
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