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Post by HoneyBadger on Feb 23, 2013 10:46:01 GMT -5
Sometimes silence is golden. LOL why should the mother have remained silent? The mother should have confronted the man, complained to Facebook and let it rest. The mother saw him taking photos so why didn't she question him? I would have asked a stranger why he was taking photos of my 5 year old. Why was the child lying across several chairs playing with her IPod in an urgent care facility and why was it necessary to mention that? In fact, in an urgent care facility don't hog the chairs. Maybe someone ill needs the seat. People will be talking about the situation, children will hear conversations they shouldn't hear and won't understand. This child will suffer more from talk from other children than she ever would have suffered at the hands of a foolish man. If you have not had a child who suffered at the hands of his/her peers you have no idea what I'm talking about or why I'm so against what this mother has done. Been there, done that. Protect the child but don't try to make a name for yourself. The mother wants publicity at any cost. She has removed her daughter's picture from her FB page but the hate pouring out against the man is terrible. He was an ass but he doesn't deserve threats of violence against him. You, SC and others, can be angry and indignant about his behavior after the fact. I see no reason to ruin his career over an act of stupidity. If the mother hadn't had a fit over something which could have been resolved quietly you wouldn't be talking about this now. |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Feb 23, 2013 10:51:15 GMT -5
handled privately. What he did was not illegal. If so, Many of the videos on You Tube are illegal too. . If you find a video of yourself that you did not authorize to be on youtube they will take it down. Fine. Why didn't the mother (who states that she saw a stranger taking pictures of her daughter) stop the photo taking when it occurred? She didn't hesitate to make a mountain out of a molehill. And why would people automatically assume (not presume) that the man is a pedophile? That's more sick than him taking photos of the child. |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Feb 23, 2013 11:02:26 GMT -5
If the mother hadn't made such a production how many of us would have comments regarding the situation? How many people would have known what was said by the man and his friends? It could have ended the day it began. Sometimes silence is golden. Yes, it would have ended, and the coward would have thought that what he did was OK. Evil, stupidity and cowardice need to be smacked down at all times. If the mother had confronted the "coward" he would have known that what he did was wrong immediately. She could have ended this in the urgent care facility. Obviously none of you have had a child who was threatened with death, tormented by classmates, bullied without mercy and who contemplated suicide on several occasions. I did. I handled the situation appropriately - by contacting the school administration and the police. I did not contact the press and further the abuse. |
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Post by SpellChecker on Feb 23, 2013 11:24:03 GMT -5
[The mother should have confronted the man, complained to Facebook and let it rest. What would facebook do? Even if they removed his account he could just make another. [Why was the child lying across several chairs playing with her IPod in an urgent care facility and why was it necessary to mention that? In fact, in an urgent care facility don't hog the chairs. Maybe someone ill needs the seat. Who cares why the kid was laying across 2 chairs obviously they were empty, it's a moot point and certainly doesn't make an excuse for what this man did. She is what 5 or 6 years old. This is a piss poor excuse for what he did. [People will be talking about the situation, children will hear conversations they shouldn't hear and won't understand. This child will suffer more from talk from other children than she ever would have suffered at the hands of a foolish man. How will the kid suffer. I can however see how it might make someone else think twice before doing something if they know they will be called out on it. [If you have not had a child who suffered at the hands of his/her peers you have no idea what I'm talking about or why I'm so against what this mother has done. Been there, done that. Protect the child but don't try to make a name for yourself. The mother wants publicity at any cost. how is she making a name for herself? I agree I personally would have gone about differently but my course of action would have been frowned on too. We have all been that kid who was made fun of at one point as well we have all been that person making fun of another. There are however boundaries. I'm sorry but going into a doctors office and taking pictures of a 5 year old little girl and posting them to the Internet is one of those thing you just do not do. You personally have had the same type of thing happen to you with personal stuff about you and your job being put up. I remember you getting quite upset about it too. She has removed her daughter's picture from her FB page but the hate pouring out against the man is terrible. Think about what you're saying here. You want to put off what he did as bad but that not that BAD. However you think it is atrocious that the mother would put his name out there. It's kind of an eye for an eye and I'll bet you he thinks twice before doing this again. I see no reason to ruin his career over an act of stupidity. Him being a volunteer isn't a career. It's a privilege and an honor. When he choose to use his position as a shield to lie about his true intentions he brought that position into the light NOT HER. Had this been a wellspan employee who took that picture in the office he would be on the street right now looking for a job. So why should it be any different for an EMS/ Firefighter. Both have access to sensitive information of patients/ victims and he has well proved he isn't mature or professional enough to handle those situations. |
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Post by SpellChecker on Feb 23, 2013 11:34:13 GMT -5
Fine. Why didn't the mother (who states that she saw a stranger taking pictures of her daughter) stop the photo taking when it occurred? . From the statement I read from her she never said she saw him take the pictures. She said he took the pictures while sitting across from her while in the urgent care. It's very easy to take a picture of someone with a modern smart phone with no knowlege of it being done. All you have to do is hold the phone up and act like your texting or looking at something on the phone. from the eveing sun: "Sherry Myers said she visited WellSpan ReadyCare in Gettysburg, Pa., where a man secretly took photos of Jayden, her daughter, and posted them on Facebook."from her web page: 02/16/2013 Saturday!Today my heart was crushed and everything a parent could feel, I felt as my child became the center of cyber - bullying. A day of being at urgent care became a nightmare as I received a message from a friend telling me pictures of Jayden, my five year old daughter had been taken while we were at urgent care and posted on Facebook by a complete stranger! A man and his wife came in and we helped them get registered because everything is computerized and there is no receptionist and they were unable to figure it out! They sat across from us and this strange man took pictures of her. This man who is a firefighter/ EMT and vice president of a volunteer company in his home town took those pictures of her and posted them on Face Book referring to her as being an “It”, made fun of the way she was dressed by posting pictures of her shoes! He took another picture of her and labeled You be the judge…Boy or girl??!!His status update read as follows: Sitting at Urgent Care in Gettysburg. There is a child who could be described as Androgynous.. “It” looks like a boy but is wearing a pink/purple striped shirt…I am not sure what I am looking at…LOL! He ridiculed ,degraded, and totally made my five year old the center of his ignorance! I am so mad I can't think straight. As a public figure I can't believe a man of his stature who represents his fire and rescue company could make my five year old a center of public humility! I teach my kids to respect people like him and to look up to them as a person who could some day save their lives or lose their life trying too! I'm quite appalled that this piece of crap is in the brotherhood of fire and rescue! I have reported him to Face Book and I hope they investigate him! Truly I'm so lost for words I don't know what else to say other than "You can mess with momma bear but don't mess with my baby cubs." I am so hurt and so devastated that this happened to my baby I just can't get it together! I understand people are ignorant , rude, whatever but she is an innocent five year old who was just being a typical kid playing with her I POD laying on some chairs waiting patiently for her brother to get the care he needed! |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Feb 23, 2013 11:43:00 GMT -5
I was going to respond to you point by point but then I thought "the hell with it." You are way too invested in this situation and I'm not. Let the mother deal with her creation.
Note this - I did not say anything about the mother putting the man's name out there. I believe that the newspaper did that.
One last thing - when my name was put out there my job was threatened. They also made fun of me - big deal, so do I. My job mattered, my feelings not so much.
Enough said on my part. You, sir, may charge forth again.
Based on what you posted while I was writing it does appear that the mother did know someone was taking pictures of her daughter. Otherwise, how did she know that they sat across from us and this strange man took pictures of her.?
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Post by SpellChecker on Feb 23, 2013 11:55:41 GMT -5
I was going to respond to you point by point but then I thought "the hell with it." You are way too invested in this situation and I'm not. Haven't you been posting to the mothers message board for like a week as well the newspaper sites? This is the only place I have discussed it. I'm purposely staying away from her page other than to read it to get her side of the story. Based on what you posted while I was writing it does appear that the mother did know someone was taking pictures of her daughter. Otherwise, how did she know that they sat across from us and this strange man took pictures of her.? How does it appear she knew? She saw the pictures after he posted them to facebook that's how she knew where he took them. After seeing his page it would be obvious he was the guy who sat across from her when she was as the ready care. |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Feb 23, 2013 12:47:24 GMT -5
I was going to respond to you point by point but then I thought "the hell with it." You are way too invested in this situation and I'm not. Haven't you been posting to the mothers message board for like a week as well the newspaper sites? This is the only place I have discussed it. I'm purposely staying away from her page other than to read it to get her side of the story. Based on what you posted while I was writing it does appear that the mother did know someone was taking pictures of her daughter. Otherwise, how did she know that they sat across from us and this strange man took pictures of her.? How does it appear she knew? She saw the pictures after he posted them to facebook that's how she knew where he took them. After seeing his page it would be obvious he was the guy who sat across from her when she was as the ready care. First, I find it highly humorous that you are one of the lurkers whose name doesn't appear as being logged in to BV. That's pathetic. Second, I didn't know of the incident until it was reported in the Evening Sun on Friday, February 22. I could hardly have been "posting to the mothers message board for like a week as well the newspaper sites." Get your story straight. Third, I find it interesting that she has a friend who apparently is a friend of the photographer. Or her friend is a friend of a friend of the photographer since he's from the Lake Meade area and she's from Emmitsburg, MD. Apparently he doesn't have appropriate privacy blocks on FB. Don't forget that the friend saw the photos first and called the mother. Last, as far as the photos are concerned, I'm always curious when someone is pointing their cell phone at me. I guess I have a suspicious nature. Now, since you have probably been sitting at your computer waiting for my response - here it is. My last response. I'm now going to Facebook and posting that Spellchecker is a PITA. Sue me!!!     |
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Post by orrtannaexpat on Feb 24, 2013 5:08:38 GMT -5
Just skimmed through this thread when I saw that my friend HoneyBadger was posting and I would like to thank all of you for verifying that my decision to avoid Facebook like the plague was a wise choice.
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Post by getysbg on Feb 24, 2013 10:46:00 GMT -5
LOL why should the mother have remained silent? The mother should have confronted the man, complained to Facebook and let it rest. The mother saw him taking photos so why didn't she question him? I would have asked a stranger why he was taking photos of my 5 year old. Why was the child lying across several chairs playing with her IPod in an urgent care facility and why was it necessary to mention that? In fact, in an urgent care facility don't hog the chairs. Maybe someone ill needs the seat. People will be talking about the situation, children will hear conversations they shouldn't hear and won't understand. This child will suffer more from talk from other children than she ever would have suffered at the hands of a foolish man. If you have not had a child who suffered at the hands of his/her peers you have no idea what I'm talking about or why I'm so against what this mother has done. Been there, done that. Protect the child but don't try to make a name for yourself. The mother wants publicity at any cost. She has removed her daughter's picture from her FB page but the hate pouring out against the man is terrible. He was an ass but he doesn't deserve threats of violence against him. You, SC and others, can be angry and indignant about his behavior after the fact. I see no reason to ruin his career over an act of stupidity. If the mother hadn't had a fit over something which could have been resolved quietly you wouldn't be talking about this now. And once again, without a strong pushback, this idiot would have felt that his actions were OK and they were not! The learning lesson is not just for the idiot who couldn't or wouldn't think thru his actions but also for others who might think about doing the same thing. Bullies are almost always cowards and they tend to band together. Confrontation is the only language they understand. |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Feb 24, 2013 11:18:01 GMT -5
Just skimmed through this thread when I saw that my friend HoneyBadger was posting and I would like to thank all of you for verifying that my decision to avoid Facebook like the plague was a wise choice. Thank you for calling me friend. They appear to be in short supply these days. I saw the Facebook link in the newspaper. I should not have looked. On a side note, my mother was in the hospital for nearly three weeks. We almost lost her but she rallyed. She's in rehab now gaining strength to come home. |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Feb 24, 2013 11:32:35 GMT -5
[/quote]And once again, without a strong pushback, this idiot would have felt that his actions were OK and they were not! The learning lesson is not just for the idiot who couldn't or wouldn't think thru his actions but also for others who might think about doing the same thing. Bullies are almost always cowards and they tend to band together. Confrontation is the only language they understand.[/quote]
Note, I am not addressing Spellchecker, I'm finished with him.
You men don't seem to get what I was attempting to say - perhaps I should study remedial English again.
The man could have been confronted and could have been humiliated in front of his peers without a Facebook page and without going to the press.
I am concerned about the child but no one seems to understand my concern. Her own mother said that the child saw her photos on Facebook (with her mother and brother in the background) and didn't understand why her photo was on line.
Was it necessary for the mother to show her five year old daughter the pictures? No, it wasn't.
If you read and then re-read the entire story it has as many holes as Swiss cheese (I stole that line from a friend who is far more intelligent and perceptive than I).
I am not a seer but I predict that this little girl may face more bullying, not less because of her mother's publicizing a matter which should have been private. Wasn't her goal to protect her daughter?
By the way getysbg, this incident will not stop bullies. Facebook is full of bullies. This provides fodder for them. One could say that Spellchecker bullied me after I commented. One could say; I don't.
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Post by SpellChecker on Feb 24, 2013 14:51:09 GMT -5
First, I find it highly humorous that you are one of the lurkers whose name doesn't appear as being logged in to BV. That's pathetic. I'm not a lurker. I don't always log in just to read BV, SORRY. Calling me pathetic because I don't stay logged in to BV is kind of harsh isn't it? Second, I didn't know of the incident until it was reported in the Evening Sun on Friday, February 22. I could hardly have been "posting to the mothers message board for like a week as well the newspaper sites." Get your story straight. I believe said like a week and the point was you were posting to the mother like everywhere you could to the point that the woman deleted your posts. Third, I find it interesting that she has a friend who apparently is a friend of the photographer. Or her friend is a friend of a friend of the photographer since he's from the Lake Meade area and she's from Emmitsburg, MD. Apparently he doesn't have appropriate privacy blocks on FB. Don't forget that the friend saw the photos first and called the mother. See, now YOU are coming up with conspiracy theory's! Why is such a far stretch that someone in Emmittsburg would have a mutual friend on someone in the lake Meade area? I have freinds on my facebook from probably 25 different states and probably as many countries. If whom ever told her about the pictures was a friend of the man or someone who commented on them no matter how the man had his facebook set up the friend would have been able to see it. I find it interesting that you aren't attacking the creep. Or the fact that you don't think he should lose his ability to be a fireman after he tried to abuse his position to lie his way out of what he did. None of that is that "big" of deal to you though because a woman telling her story a news paper and creating a fb page is just a complete fucking out rage, right? How dare that woman tell anyone someone made fun of her daughter or even worse yet speak his name so other's would know what he did. How horrible of that evil, vile, nasty woman. Shhesh the nerve of some people Last, as far as the photos are concerned, I'm always curious when someone is pointing their cell phone at me. I guess I have a suspicious nature. I promise you, I could sit across from you in a public place and snap photo's of you with out you ever knowing. It's not that hard. How can you tell if I'm texting or taking a picture...........you can't I couldn't sue you for telling the truth! |
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Post by SpellChecker on Feb 24, 2013 15:02:22 GMT -5
You men don't seem to get what I was attempting to say - perhaps I should study remedial English again.. You don't seem to know what you want to say, You also seem to be completely focused on the mother exposing this creep for what he is instead of on the creep. Let me ask you, You claim that you think what he did was horrible right? I've seen you make negitive posts towards here, on her FB page and on the ES article comments. How many comments or emails or what ever have you sent to the creep that did this? I'm willing to bet NONE, am I right? The man could have been confronted and could have been humiliated in front of his peers without a Facebook page and without going to the press.. How? How else could she have confronted him? Went to his house and started a fight? Went to the Fire house and been asked to leave? How better could she have exposed this man than having it go around FB and be in the town news paper. He got exactly what he deserves. He put the little girl on fb. The punishment exactly fits the crime! Was it necessary for the mother to show her five year old daughter the pictures? No, it wasn't. . We can agree on this, HOWEVER I have yet to see this or didn't notice it when I read the story. If you read and then re-read the entire story it has as many holes as Swiss cheese (I stole that line from a friend who is far more intelligent and perceptive than I). . What is wrong with the story? If she is telling a lie then why doesn't said creep just come out with his side and clear everything up? I mean I would sure as hell want my name vindicated? I am not a seer but I predict that this little girl may face more bullying, not less because of her mother's publicizing a matter which should have been private. Wasn't her goal to protect her daughter? Who is going to bully her? This is absured! |
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Post by Venter on Feb 24, 2013 17:26:56 GMT -5
There are SO many things about this whole episode that are WRONG, that EVERYONE is right, in one way or another, about what is wrong about it!  In other words: - The man should have never TAKEN the picture
- He should have never POSTED the picture
- He should NOT have tried to weasel his way out of it by claiming some sort of "purpose" for the post, other than being a bonehead.
- The Mother was RIGHT to be outraged.
- The Mother took the wrong steps to remedy the situation
- Her actions MAY have exacerbated the long-term effects on her family, and especially her child.
- People are stupid, insensitive, and... stupid!
- Nobody that I've seen, at least on this site, has said that the Man was justified in his actions. (Although, even my initial, blind assessment of the situation was that he MAY have had a professional reason for the post... which is what he evidently did try to claim.)
- We all do bonehead things in our lives, but this new "Social Media Lynching" is pretty absurd, and as in this case, the reaction was potentially as destructive as the initial action.
There are reasons why Victims of some crimes are kept "anonymous" - like the victims of sexual assault, rape, porn, domestic violence, identity theft, credit theft, harassment, etc. The Police and the Newspaper would have most likely used DISCRETION by not divulging the name of this child, or even her family. Hell, the media has even begun to try to keep the names of the PERPETRATORS of some crimes from becoming household names... who killed the Newtown Kids?... who bombed the Oklahoma Federal Bldg? Notoriety works BOTH ways, and in the case of this child, her mother has not taken that into consideration. |
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Post by Venter on Feb 24, 2013 17:50:16 GMT -5
Venter, disagree to the max, my friend. The first amendment protects this guy from legal prosecution, so only a society that does not tolerate such nonsense and publicly calls out bad behavior do we not slip into a crevasse of stupid sick communication that leaves us all felling disgusted. I do not think that his firefighting or anything else should be in jeopardy over this, just his ability to show his face in public having done something so morally reprehensible. You are of course correct that everyone makes jokes but decent folks are mortified if the brunt of their joke gets word of it. I do not know a soul that feels taunting a 5 year old, even behind her back is acceptable behavior for any one over the age of 6. Civility demands that we not sweep such crap under the rug. I suppose there is a different standard then, for photos of minors on "other" sites? There are (I've been told) disclaimers on sites that prove all of their models are over 18. There are also laws that are responsible for those "blurred-out faces" in photos and videos. And, unless there is a "Crowd shot" with so many faces in it, you are supposed to get "Releases" in order to use a photo. Now, with all that said, maybe those rules only pertain to Commercial or For-Profit Use. But, if they are rules for one purpose, I can't imagine that those rules don't somehow carry over. I know there is "Fair Use", but where does that line get drawn? I suppose it gets drawn (and redrawn) each time there is public outrage over a certain incident such as this. The Knee-Jerk reaction to all of this though, may be more damaging than it would have been, had the Parent thought out her retribution more thoroughly. Hey, maybe the guy should be castrated, I don't know... but you can't throw your child into the fray, and not expect it to somehow negatively affect public sentiment. There is something repugnant about the whole situation, and there's no way to reverse and restart. |
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Post by Venter on Feb 24, 2013 18:12:59 GMT -5
One (few) more things... When talking about this yesterday, I mentioned that if someone snapped a photo of a toddler at a pool, with a disposable diaper loaded to the limits by the water - we would probably laugh our asses off. If the photo was taken from the back, it would probably be a non-issue because of the inability to readily identity the child... unless the mother, or a friend pointed it out and made it an issue. But, if taken from the front, should the face be cropped out? What if it is a kid with spaghetti-smeared face? I have a photo of my daughter with her shoes on the wrong feet, and it's funny to me - but if someone else took that photo, and made remarks about her, would I think it's as funny? Actually, especially in this day and age, I think it's kinda creepy that someone would consider that okay to do. So, basically, it is the "Creep Factor" that makes this different, and why we are discussing it so adamantly and ferociously! A Social Line has been crossed.Had the mother posted a photo of her child, and commented on how funny she looked, this would change the entire dialogue. When the other person then commented on an "androgynous child", as insensitive and ignorant as it was, it would have been removed and probably forgotten. It comes down to who's laughing at whose expense. It's ALL fun... until someone gets hurt |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Feb 24, 2013 19:15:58 GMT -5
SC:
I'm not going to respond to everything you posted because you have way too much time on your hands and I don't have the time to deal with nonsense any longer.
2:51PM:
We were on line at the same time but my name was the only name shown as on line. There was one other invisible user. That's what I meant.
I wasn't posting to the mother "like everywhere" because there was only one place to post to her. My first comment was sympathetic but cautionary. She came back and blasted me. I made another comment and the entire thing disappeared.
In fact, several people who have made comments she didn't like had comments removed. You can tell if you read other posts which reference the comments deleted. Some of her supporters wanted to take action against a man who defended the photographer.
My comments on the Evening Sun site were just that - comments. The majority of the people who posted were of the same mindset as me.
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3:02PM (because you thought a little more):
I do know what I want to say and I've been quite clear about what I said. How many places have you seen comments from me? Three would be correct.
I can't locate the man who posted the photos. Do you have his contact info?
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The mother posted on her FB page that she herself showed her daughter the photos which were posted on his page. She said her daughter knew where they were taken because the mother and the brother were in the background. That is a bit confusing because one would think they were sitting beside each other but what do I know? You're the expert.
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It is very possible that the longer this situation continues her PEERS and OLDER CHILDREN will remember and comment about the notoriety, the press coverage, FBI page, etc.
Now, Spellchecker, I am so very over this. I don't write as well or with as much humor and as many descriptive phrases as Venter but I've always been able to clarify my position and why I've taken that position. I'm very sorry that my writing is incomprehensible to you but that is not my problem.
What I have done is what many other people have done since this debacle began - I expressed my opinion. So did you. If you have issues with Freedom of Speech I suggest that you run for political office and then begin work to change the First Amendment to the Constitution. Until then, back off.
Better people than you who are actually friends of mine have tried to change my mind on a variety of subjects with limited success. I have mulled this matter over in my mind and I am quite comfortable with my personal opinions of the subject. Deal with it or become a moderator and ban me.
Quite frankly, true to my honey badger motto, I don't give a shit what you think of me.
Modified to correct spelling error. Mea culpa.
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Post by HoneyBadger on Feb 24, 2013 19:26:00 GMT -5
By the way Spellchecker, if you look at Active Users In The Past 24 Hours your name does not appear. That - in my estimation - makes you a lurker.
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Post by davew on Feb 25, 2013 10:32:08 GMT -5
Whatever he gets, he deserves it. If he's booted out of firefighting, good. If he gets shamed in public and ridiculed, good.
None of that has anything to do with freedom of speech, nobody's speech has been limited. If you do or say something stupid and lose your job, your freedom of speech hasn't been violated.
Creating the argument that it's worse for the child so he should get out of it without being subjected to humiliation is ridiculous. Perhaps the next time he sees the opportunity to have some fun at the expense of someone who isn't old enough to even fully understand the situation he'll think twice.
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Post by Venter on Feb 25, 2013 10:52:57 GMT -5
"Opinions are like assholes,... " and I am ready to accept that some people MAY actually have more than one - in spite of the common saying!  Hell, even as I am typing my OWN OPINIONS, I can find flaw, and actually argue with myself. BUT, I still state my opinion. I figure "If I am questioning this, maybe someone else can give me an answer that makes sense - at least until I have another question... or an AH HA! moment." It seems like the "most opinionated" often get into the most battles. Maybe that's because this should be a DIALOGUE, and not every dialogue is as one-sided as it may appear. Once again, attack the message, not the messenger - as wrong as you may think he or she is. Talk about "Cyber-Bullies! Sheesh!  When someone counters a statement I've made, I do a couple of things: - First, I consider him/her a complete asshole for questioning my opinion [knee-jerk reaction #1]
- Next, I cry [knee-jerk reaction #2]
- Then I re-read what I wrote, and determine if there was a better way I could have said it
- I check for typos [Oops, I meant "I love cooks"... how did that "c" get in there]
- I look to see if the person is just instigating or trolling.
In most cases, and even you guys who are getting into it, it is just an example of two, or more, STRONGLY Opinionated views, clashing in cyberspace. The difference here though, is that one day, you may all meet (or may already have met). Some of these discussions are obviously more emotionally charged than others. So, let's try to keep it tame, and use the strong words for the arguments. Call my VIEWS Idiotic, Asinine, Immature, Incendiary, just plain WRONG... but try to keep the comments directed toward my COMMENTS! Hey, I may be an asshole for a certain view, but you pointing out that I'm an ass, does nothing to change my view. Prove that I am wrong - and I may determine for myself whether I have been an ass or not. I have apologized on BoroVENT before [don't search that] , but it is usually because I realize how I may have offended someone - not usually because I've changed my views. I know you'll all disagree with me, but I've been known to write some rather insensitive things over the years - no, really! I may, or may not, have written stuff just for a reaction But in any case, I write with the expectation that I am opening it up for other opinions - no matter how wrong you may be. But PLEASE stick to the message. When I realize I've been an ass, I may even admit it online - but don't hold your breath.
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Post by Mr Blonde on Feb 25, 2013 11:05:41 GMT -5
There are SO many things about this whole episode that are WRONG, that EVERYONE is right, in one way or another, about what is wrong about it! In other words: - The man should have never TAKEN the picture
- He should have never POSTED the picture
- He should NOT have tried to weasel his way out of it by claiming some sort of "purpose" for the post, other than being a bonehead.
- The Mother was RIGHT to be outraged.
- The Mother took the wrong steps to remedy the situation
- Her actions MAY have exacerbated the long-term effects on her family, and especially her child.
- People are stupid, insensitive, and... stupid!
- Nobody that I've seen, at least on this site, has said that the Man was justified in his actions. (Although, even my initial, blind assessment of the situation was that he MAY have had a professional reason for the post... which is what he evidently did try to claim.)
- We all do bonehead things in our lives, but this new "Social Media Lynching" is pretty absurd, and as in this case, the reaction was potentially as destructive as the initial action.
There are reasons why Victims of some crimes are kept "anonymous" - like the victims of sexual assault, rape, porn, domestic violence, identity theft, credit theft, harassment, etc. The Police and the Newspaper would have most likely used DISCRETION by not divulging the name of this child, or even her family. Hell, the media has even begun to try to keep the names of the PERPETRATORS of some crimes from becoming household names... who killed the Newtown Kids?... who bombed the Oklahoma Federal Bldg? Notoriety works BOTH ways, and in the case of this child, her mother has not taken that into consideration. This is a walk off post Venter. You are so right with this post that you should have just locked the thread after you hit the submit button. |
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Post by Mr Blonde on Feb 25, 2013 11:11:33 GMT -5
Oh, and Honey Badger, you're position on this couldn't be any more clearer. Those that can't understand it are clearly lacking basic reading comprehension skills.
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Post by lifesaver on Feb 25, 2013 18:31:16 GMT -5
There are SO many things about this whole episode that are WRONG, that EVERYONE is right, in one way or another, about what is wrong about it! In other words: - The man should have never TAKEN the picture
- He should have never POSTED the picture
- He should NOT have tried to weasel his way out of it by claiming some sort of "purpose" for the post, other than being a bonehead.
- The Mother was RIGHT to be outraged.
- The Mother took the wrong steps to remedy the situation
- Her actions MAY have exacerbated the long-term effects on her family, and especially her child.
- People are stupid, insensitive, and... stupid!
- Nobody that I've seen, at least on this site, has said that the Man was justified in his actions. (Although, even my initial, blind assessment of the situation was that he MAY have had a professional reason for the post... which is what he evidently did try to claim.)
- We all do bonehead things in our lives, but this new "Social Media Lynching" is pretty absurd, and as in this case, the reaction was potentially as destructive as the initial action.
There are reasons why Victims of some crimes are kept "anonymous" - like the victims of sexual assault, rape, porn, domestic violence, identity theft, credit theft, harassment, etc. The Police and the Newspaper would have most likely used DISCRETION by not divulging the name of this child, or even her family. Hell, the media has even begun to try to keep the names of the PERPETRATORS of some crimes from becoming household names... who killed the Newtown Kids?... who bombed the Oklahoma Federal Bldg? Notoriety works BOTH ways, and in the case of this child, her mother has not taken that into consideration. This is a walk off post Venter. You are so right with this post that you should have just locked the thread after you hit the submit button. Agree! |
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Post by davew on Feb 27, 2013 10:50:45 GMT -5
This is a walk off post Venter. You are so right with this post that you should have just locked the thread after you hit the submit button. Why would he lock it? To keep people from expressing well supported and reasonable opposing opinions to yours? |
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