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Post by Venter on Oct 2, 2013 9:13:08 GMT -5
As if Gettysburg doesn't have enough issues, the shutdown affects the entire town. Excuse me, but closing roads that pass through the Park is really petty. I can see not opening the Wills House (it has been open for the past few years, hasn't it?)  What pisses me off is the pettiness of the entire thing. No Park open, no Visitors to a Town that relies on them. SO the double-whammy affects the livelihood of our friends and neighbors who are NOT Federal Employees. Yeah, THAT'S the way to punish Obama, and prove a point - PISS OFF ALL OF THE PEOPLE!!!  Let's consider this... If there are ANY Services that are closed down for the next few days, and their absence is not felt, then maybe we should KEEP them closed! AND...The "Visitors Center" remains open because it is run by the Foundation? Excuse me, but isn't it on Federal Land, using the Federal Roads to access it? BUT... They CLOSE a Cemetery? |
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Post by getysbg on Oct 2, 2013 12:25:27 GMT -5
Venter - why must you insist on things making sense? You know what that does to your blood pressure.
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Post by Alex Oreilly on Oct 2, 2013 12:27:44 GMT -5
I usually tell visitors to go to The Gettysburg Musuem of History and the Seminary Ridge Musuem both are free and have more artifacts to look at. The other one I tell them to see is the Diorama.
Get more history out of them then the v.c. and wills house.
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Post by lifesaver on Oct 2, 2013 14:08:27 GMT -5
As if Gettysburg doesn't have enough issues, the shutdown affects the entire town. Excuse me, but closing roads that pass through the Park is really petty. I can see not opening the Wills House (it has been open for the past few years, hasn't it?) What pisses me off is the pettiness of the entire thing. No Park open, no Visitors to a Town that relies on them. SO the double-whammy affects the livelihood of our friends and neighbors who are NOT Federal Employees. Yeah, THAT'S the way to punish Obama, and prove a point - PISS OFF ALL OF THE PEOPLE!!! Let's consider this... If there are ANY Services that are closed down for the next few days, and their absence is not felt, then maybe we should KEEP them closed! AND...The "Visitors Center" remains open because it is run by the Foundation? Excuse me, but isn't it on Federal Land, using the Federal Roads to access it? BUT... They CLOSE a Cemetery? You know the old saying....when life hands you lemons? Well, here's the perfect chance to make lemonade! A chance for us to tell our visitors about all the other things in the area that make it a great place to live. Alex mentioned the Seminary Museum. On the news I heard that they opened on Tuesday (on a day they are usually closed) for visitors. All the quaint shops in town are still open, and for the next two weekends we have the Apple Harvest Festival. All the restaurants are still open. And now's the time to ask them what else they would like to see here besides monuments and artifacts. Waterpark anyone?  |
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Post by lifesaver on Oct 2, 2013 14:15:55 GMT -5
I had to chuckle when I saw the picture on the front page of the Times of the road barrier on East Confederate Ave: RO D
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Post by davew on Oct 2, 2013 15:32:39 GMT -5
Yeah, THAT'S the way to punish Obama, and prove a point - PISS OFF ALL OF THE PEOPLE!!! I had kind of figured that it actually went a different way, that it's the administration and agencies punishment toward everyone to be vindictive. I just read a story that the NPS shut down a farm/park that hasn't received funds for over 30 years. Instead of keeping the park open (at no cost to them), they paid federal law enforcement to go to the farm/park, extract the workers and block the park. It seems less like punishment of Obama to me and more like a money grab to try to get individuals to put pressure on their congressmen to give away money. |
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Post by davew on Oct 2, 2013 18:10:45 GMT -5
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Post by MattC on Oct 2, 2013 18:59:25 GMT -5
Imagine how less this would affect the area if there were a casino, or waterpark (kinda) or statue to me. This is exactly why those non-battle things are a good idea for the area. As many of us said during the casino fight, the town would not be in such bad shape if it weren't a one-trick pony. Thanks, SSP
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Post by Alex Oreilly on Oct 2, 2013 20:21:01 GMT -5
Correction, The PGCB are the ones "to thank" not SSP, it was more a political decision and not her.
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Post by Fire Marshal Bill on Oct 2, 2013 22:32:47 GMT -5
How about directing people to the Apple Harvest in Arentsville this weekend, or Color Fest in Thurmont?
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Post by Venter on Oct 3, 2013 12:45:01 GMT -5
Davew, I looked at the article, and it is one anecdote, but I don't think it was Obama's choice to close the Parks. If the Veterans hadn't planned that visit, there would be no story about it, and someone in the press would try to find another incident to fit their agenda. I suppose they have to "close" all of the Federal Properties, just to cover their asses. They can't be selective about it, or we'd all cry "foul"! |
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Post by Venter on Oct 3, 2013 12:50:32 GMT -5
I don't know if you've noticed all of the Advertisements on TV by Health Insurance Companies trying to get you to use their services.
They all seem to have begun on/about October 1st, just to coincide with the ObamaCare stuff.
They are spending MILLIONS on Advertising... meanwhile the Congress holds this in Limbo.
I guess it's too late for them to pull their ads and wait until the smoke clears - but here is one instance of an industry that will be affected by the delay.
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Post by redlock on Oct 3, 2013 20:42:00 GMT -5
1-800-318-2596
That is the number for the Health Insurance Marketplace
Check out what the number spells.
3 is F
8 is U
2 is C
5 is K
9 is Y
6 is O
Yes, I know the 1 is missing....but you can't deny the other numbers....
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Post by lifesaver on Oct 3, 2013 22:35:51 GMT -5
Davew, I looked at the article, and it is one anecdote, but I don't think it was Obama's choice to close the Parks. If the Veterans hadn't planned that visit, there would be no story about it, and someone in the press would try to find another incident to fit their agenda. I suppose they have to "close" all of the Federal Properties, just to cover their asses. They can't be selective about it, or we'd all cry "foul"! This whole mess can't get any more despicable than this. Using children as pawns in their stupid games is reprehensible. www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/02/government-shutdown-nih-kids-cancer-treatment_n_4030016.htmlYou bet it's vindictive davew. |
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Post by lifesaver on Oct 3, 2013 22:47:38 GMT -5
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Post by lifesaver on Oct 3, 2013 22:54:18 GMT -5
Imagine how less this would affect the area if there were a casino, or waterpark (kinda) or statue to me. A statue to you?  I thought that was you standing beside Lincoln on the square? Oh....wait a minute, that's Perry Como. Sorry.  |
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Post by Venter on Oct 4, 2013 7:37:39 GMT -5
Imagine how less this would affect the area if there were a casino, or waterpark (kinda) or statue to me. A statue to you? I thought that was you standing beside Lincoln on the square? Oh....wait a minute, that's Perry Como. Sorry. Matt wishes he had a sweater that nice! |
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Post by Venter on Oct 4, 2013 7:58:53 GMT -5
Davew, I looked at the article, and it is one anecdote, but I don't think it was Obama's choice to close the Parks. If the Veterans hadn't planned that visit, there would be no story about it, and someone in the press would try to find another incident to fit their agenda. I suppose they have to "close" all of the Federal Properties, just to cover their asses. They can't be selective about it, or we'd all cry "foul"! This whole mess can't get any more despicable than this. Using children as pawns in their stupid games is reprehensible. www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/02/government-shutdown-nih-kids-cancer-treatment_n_4030016.htmlYou bet it's vindictive davew. Lifesaver, It's getting to the point that I believe that both sides actually have a series of images with Women, Children, Veterans, Puppies, etc., just waiting for opportunities to use them in times like this. Tugging on our Heartstrings while clutching our Purse-strings. It all sickens me... and makes me need Health Care even more  Again, anecdotal instances of the extreme effects of this shutdown. Thousands of "children" will die, regardless of whether they are allowed to enroll in an NIH Research Project, or not. Thousands will die without proper Health Insurance Coverage. Thousands will die even WITH Coverage! |
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Post by Venter on Oct 4, 2013 8:15:19 GMT -5
Keep in mind I'm a registered Independent, so I have no dog in this fight... Davew, As I've said many times to "Independent" friends, "being an Independent is not the answer." Pick a hole!  By being "Independent", you allow others to pick your candidates for you, and then complain because your choice didn't win. I'm really not picking on you personally, but all who consider their involvement as "Independent". It could also be called, "Bystander", "Audience", or even "Victim" - since you don't become an actual Participant until everyone else has weeded out the Candidates. But then, "Independents" can always claim that "It's not MY candidate/representative/party..." But that doesn't stop them from having opinions and complaints after the fact. I'm registered "Republican" up here, because that is where the decisions will be made in the Primaries. I'm "Democrat" at heart, (whatever the fuck that means) but that would not allow me a voice in a decidedly Republican County. They force us to pick sides, and that sucks for all of us. It seems like some of the most Vocal tend to be the "Independents" and they are forced to remain on the sidelines throughout the game, just shouting at the players on the field - or even worse... just shouting at their TVs! |
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Post by davew on Oct 4, 2013 9:47:03 GMT -5
I used to be a republican, but I can't say that the republicans are like anything but a moderate democratic wing at this point.
I have some clients who will look up your voter registration, and it's better to be independent, and I don't identify as a republican any longer. I had *hoped* that obama would do a better job than he's done. He's the weakest leader I've seen since carter. And I didn't like McCain (nor did I like Santorum, he got bad press out here long before he ran for president, for acting like a baby about things and having residence elsewhere).
So I genuinely am really disappointed with everyone! But straight up, I think the admin orders to close parks that don't require any funds and that are in public and already are policed by local police are just animosity to play a political game and try to build leverage against congressional republicans (who also appear at this point to be either spineless or divisive themselves). Politics is in a sad state, but the way the government has been drunkely spending money, and with as many lies as there have been about obamacare (first and foremost, about the cost, they could've written a bill that had cost control in it but they had too many political favors to play and instead lied about the cost and have now instituted only the items that cost money and done none of the things they said they'd do to save costs or generate revenue), I honestly don't know if it might be a better thing for politics to be so divisive just to slow down spending.
The government puts wages of government workers in as GDP. That's farce. Those wages are paid out of productive GDP, but instead they count them as actually being economic production.
For them to ride us like they do, live off of our money, and then turn around and be spiteful by closing parks that don't need funding to operate is just disgusting.
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Post by davew on Oct 4, 2013 11:30:13 GMT -5
www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wired-shut-barricade-wwii-memorial-reinforced_759193.htmlNow the barricades at the WWII memorial are wired so you can't just move the barriers. But the WWI memorial is not barricaded (because nobody is alive to visit it). The NPS has said that they are following orders from the WH administration. Unreal. A memorial that has little NPS staffing and is in an area that is covered by police and they are blocking out WWII veterans. That says a lot about the WH administration and what their objectives are.
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Post by davew on Oct 4, 2013 13:23:26 GMT -5
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/pruden-the-cheap-tricks-of-the-game/Of course, that's no proof as to where that order came from, it could've been from the guy's direct supervisor who might still be a low man in the organization, but it does go to show you that even at the level of the park service, there is no concept from them that they are public servants, and not an organization whose job it is to seize control of things they want to throw a fit over if someone doesn't hand money out to them.
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Post by Venter on Oct 5, 2013 10:44:41 GMT -5
My opinions: - ObamaCare will take effect, regardless of this game-playing delay.
- Republicans are using every trick they can to diminish the possibility that ObamaCare can be touted as a success for the Obama (Democratic) Administration.
- The Insurance Providers will be the winners in the end, no matter which Political Party "wins" this battle.
- The American Public will continue to be fucked... but at least ObamaCare will cover the damage done (Does it cover Vaseline?)
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Post by davew on Oct 5, 2013 17:28:17 GMT -5
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Post by gburger717 on Oct 5, 2013 20:07:16 GMT -5
If only one party supports a bill, it's probably not a very good bill. If both parties support it, you can be sure that however good it seems on the surface, under the covers it's worse than you could possibly imagine.
As for the NPS its all about the dog and pony show! When are "we the people" going to wake up! Its we the people who put the fucktards in office. As long as we vote for them we will get the same results.
brought to you by a registred independant
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I thought that was you standing beside Lincoln on the square? Oh....wait a minute, that's Perry Como. Sorry. 
