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Oct 22, 2013 11:58:03 GMT -5
Post by crazy8 on Oct 22, 2013 11:58:03 GMT -5
At last night's debate Sheriff Muller was represented by his Chief Deputy. The Deputy came prepared with a speech that lasted at least 15 minutes. It was supposed to be a debate. Redding had to speak off the cuff as a result. Nice play on the Sheriff's part.
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Oct 22, 2013 12:23:42 GMT -5
Post by Venter on Oct 22, 2013 12:23:42 GMT -5
I guess it wasn't important enough for Muller?
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Oct 22, 2013 14:22:56 GMT -5
Post by Alex Oreilly on Oct 22, 2013 14:22:56 GMT -5
Was there a Moderator there to ask questions?
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Oct 22, 2013 18:12:37 GMT -5
Post by paulkellett on Oct 22, 2013 18:12:37 GMT -5
There was a moderator, but he felt unable to ask any questions because no one can answer on behalf of a candidate, if it is a good answer, he will take credit, bad answer, never said that. There is another debate Wed. night, maybe Muller will show? Again it was stated that he was called away on a last minute family emergency, but his proxy was well prepared with a notebook full of notes that were well prepared and went on for 15 minutes.
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moose
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Oct 22, 2013 19:16:01 GMT -5
Post by moose on Oct 22, 2013 19:16:01 GMT -5
There is another debate Wed. night, What time and place Wednesday night? Anyone?
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Oct 22, 2013 19:49:18 GMT -5
Post by paulkellett on Oct 22, 2013 19:49:18 GMT -5
Moose, my sources say: "The second debate is Wednesday, October 23rd at Cross Keys Village in New Oxford (Nicary Hall) at 7 PM. Featured races will the Treasurer's race and the Sheriff's race." That is the email I received.
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davew
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Oct 23, 2013 7:59:43 GMT -5
Post by davew on Oct 23, 2013 7:59:43 GMT -5
The chance of two family emergencies in a row are pretty low, so maybe folks will be able to see him in a debate the second time around. You could only be left to conclude that it's intentional if it happens twice, unless a proper excuse is given.
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Oct 24, 2013 6:55:27 GMT -5
Post by crazy8 on Oct 24, 2013 6:55:27 GMT -5
Muller had reported he would not be able to attend last night. Therefore, the debate format was changed to 5minute statements by Redding and Muller's rep. with no Q&A. Muller made a surprise entrance at the last minute. Obviously wanted a Q&A period as he brought quite an entourage. Redding wouldn't budge on the format. Kudos to him for not being suckered by this weak attempt at political gamesmanship!
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Oct 24, 2013 8:34:40 GMT -5
Post by Venter on Oct 24, 2013 8:34:40 GMT -5
That's a pretty sucky way to treat another candidate. At least have the balls to call ahead to let the other candidate know that your plans have changed. Muller evidently had enough time to alert his supporters... a courtesy call to Cross Keys, or even to Redding, would have been a nice gesture. This sounds like a Sneak Attack by Muller - a little "Bait & Switch" going on to knock his opponent off keel. I didn't have a reason to vote for Muller... but I definitely found a reason to NOT vote for him. I don't care for nasty tactics like that. I didn't want to come out for or against either candidate - other than a sign in my yard. I like Mike Redding, but I didn't have anything against Muller that would make me speak out against him. This was not just disrespectful of Candidate Redding, but also to those CITIZENS who were Robbed of the Opportunity to hear a Dialogue between Candidates. Muller took the low road in this one. I guess it's a good thing that he did it so close to the Elections - not as many voters will be aware of the shenanigans. Of course... there's STILL enough time for him to request another Forum, if he cares enough!!!
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Oct 24, 2013 9:01:52 GMT -5
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Post by Alex Oreilly on Oct 24, 2013 9:01:52 GMT -5
So Muller doesnt show up for the first one and the says he can't make it for the second one and comes in late??? Am I unstanding this correctly?
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Oct 24, 2013 11:41:35 GMT -5
Post by Venter on Oct 24, 2013 11:41:35 GMT -5
Refresh my memory... I seem to recall another candidate, during one of the last rounds of elections, who missed a Forum Opportunity due to a "Family Emergency". Does anyone remember who that was?
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Oct 24, 2013 12:12:10 GMT -5
Post by crazy8 on Oct 24, 2013 12:12:10 GMT -5
So Muller doesnt show up for the first one and the says he can't make it for the second one and comes in late??? Am I unstanding this correctly? Not late, unexpected, had said not coming.
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Oct 24, 2013 14:07:55 GMT -5
Post by Fire Marshal Bill on Oct 24, 2013 14:07:55 GMT -5
That's a pretty sucky way to treat another candidate. At least have the balls to call ahead to let the other candidate know that your plans have changed. Muller evidently had enough time to alert his supporters... a courtesy call to Cross Keys, or even to Redding, would have been a nice gesture. This sounds like a Sneak Attack by Muller - a little "Bait & Switch" going on to knock his opponent off keel. I didn't have a reason to vote for Muller... but I definitely found a reason to NOT vote for him. I don't care for nasty tactics like that. I didn't want to come out for or against either candidate - other than a sign in my yard. I like Mike Redding, but I didn't have anything against Muller that would make me speak out against him. This was not just disrespectful of Candidate Redding, but also to those CITIZENS who were Robbed of the Opportunity to hear a Dialogue between Candidates. Muller took the low road in this one. I guess it's a good thing that he did it so close to the Elections - not as many voters will be aware of the shenanigans. Of course... there's STILL enough time for him to request another Forum, if he cares enough!!! Or maybe so close to the elections, it will still be fresh in peoples minds. Also, he may be demonstrating his law enforcement background by keeping people off guard, not doing what is expected, and constantly changing the actions.
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Post by davew on Oct 25, 2013 12:12:14 GMT -5
It's perfectly fine for an LEO to lie to someone in the course of daily work, courts have already confirmed that police don't have to tell you the truth when they're talking to and you'll still be responsible for anything you say to them.
BUT, when people think that they're being lied to on a voting basis, or misled if lied is too strong, that's not going to work out well for the person who is trying to keep people off guard.
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Oct 28, 2013 5:29:55 GMT -5
Post by Fire Marshal Bill on Oct 28, 2013 5:29:55 GMT -5
Some interesting letters to the editor in the times. Muller ask for support spent most of his letter attacking Mr. Redding and his campaign claims.
Mr, Redding posted a letter asking for support and spoke mostly of his background, qualifications and intentions if elected.
From the Sheriff "In two scheduled debates, Mr. Redding has refused to debate or answer any audience questions, first with my Chief Deputy and then with me personally, yet felt free to make unsubstantiated statements denigrating the way I have run the Sheriff's Office."
Not sure this is the way I understand things from the newspaper accounts and reports I have seen.
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Oct 28, 2013 6:54:08 GMT -5
Post by paulkellett on Oct 28, 2013 6:54:08 GMT -5
A debate is between those candidates running for office, so it was the folks holding the first debate that decided to not take questions. Makes sense really as no one can answer on your behalf, they can make a statement, as was done, but answering questions supposedly unknown before hand (such as audience questions)? Redding did say that he had a different vision, that the sheriff's department should be run as an agent of the courts, not as a separate law enforcement agency. He stated that the budget of the sheriff's department has grown by $500,000. (approximately half) under Muller. He attributed that growth ( at least partially)to the pursuit of non essential endeavors. Such as a bomb sniffing dog, a mounted sheriff's (patrol?) (I forget the term used) and the desire to be a law enforcement agency. Redding says that as sheriff he would only pursue being a darn good sheriff and department. Yes, there certainly have been misleading things said in this election, but Sheriff Muller need only point at the mirror, not at Mr. Redding
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Oct 28, 2013 6:59:47 GMT -5
Post by crazy8 on Oct 28, 2013 6:59:47 GMT -5
www.eveningsun.com/localnews/ci_18821146 Muller says in his letter to the Times today that this lawsuit NEVER happened and he calls Redding a liar! The true negative campaigning has come from Muller! Redding has been careful to stick to the FACTS and not resort to name calling.
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Post by davew on Oct 28, 2013 8:34:16 GMT -5
Am I reading correctly that Mueller didn't show up to one debate, and then said he wouldn't show up to another, leaving his opponent - under the rules of the debates - free to not play along with the games....
... and then wrote a LTE slamming his opponent for "refusing to debate"??
That's like forfeiting a football game and then coming out the next day claiming the other team refused to play.
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Post by Deputy Sheriff on Nov 1, 2013 8:27:38 GMT -5
I am amazed at how so many of you have the wrong information. Sheriff Muller had an emergency that took him out of town late Sun. night/Mon morning and did not get back in town until Wed. He apparently was orginally told it was a Debate just for the Treasurer's as it was to be for the residents of Cross Keys (not the public)and they had a Debate there in the Primary. He did not commit to attending when informed by phone Wed. AM that they were now including teh Sheriff's candidates. He idicated he would try to be back in time and someone was told by the moderator that it would be a speak only and no question event, regardless of who showed up! If you care to spread lies and untruthful info (hearsay & gossip) you really do not belong on this site. People have more respect for those who know what they are talking about rather than those who jump on a band wagon and attack candidates. Trust me when I tell you Sheriff Muller has no problem debating his opponent and was looking forward to it actually - and on a final note thanks for all the empathy and understanding of a family emergency - I guess no one ever had one yourself.
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Post by lifesaver on Nov 1, 2013 8:59:04 GMT -5
I am amazed at how so many of you have the wrong information. Sheriff Muller had an emergency that took him out of town late Sun. night/Mon morning and did not get back in town until Wed. He apparently was orginally told it was a Debate just for the Treasurer's as it was to be for the residents of Cross Keys (not the public)and they had a Debate there in the Primary. He did not commit to attending when informed by phone Wed. AM that they were now including teh Sheriff's candidates. He idicated he would try to be back in time and someone was told by the moderator that it would be a speak only and no question event, regardless of who showed up! If you care to spread lies and untruthful info (hearsay & gossip) you really do not belong on this site. People have more respect for those who know what they are talking about rather than those who jump on a band wagon and attack candidates. Trust me when I tell you Sheriff Muller has no problem debating his opponent and was looking forward to it actually - and on a final note thanks for all the empathy and understanding of a family emergency - I guess no one ever had one yourself. If you look back a few threads you will see that I made a post stating that I knew both candidates and did not have an issue with either one of them. It's a shame that this negative campaigning (and yes, I am including you in that statement) has colored this campaign. Your first paragraph was fine, the second, not so much. At least in my case I search for the nuggets of truth and will base my vote on that..... not the he said she said heresay and gossip that has happened in BOTH campaigns. I post on BOROVENT because it is a forum where members can post their opinions without fear of censorship. Sometimes people agree with me, sometimes they don't. I'm OK with that. I wish more people would cast an informed vote rather than base their choice on party lines and bullshit. Our country would be in a much better place. To be honest I haven't decided who to cast my vote for at this point.
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Post by Deputy Sheriff on Nov 1, 2013 9:12:48 GMT -5
I apologize if this offended anyone as it was not directed to anyone in particular but there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff going on that many people are not aware of and it has become very frustrating to sit back and watch some of what has happened - I agree 100% with you on the fact that people need to sort through ALL the information that is out there and vote based on who really is the best person for the position. No one is perfect and unforseen things happen in every aspect of business that cannot be predicted. They do the best they can in situations that arise, learn from mistakes and move on to improve and prove they truly do care about teh people. Sheriff Muller has made promises and kept them along with professionalizing the Office of Sheriff as well as instituting policies, practices and procedures to become Accredited due to some of the unfortunate things that have happened in the past, I think this shows concern and not just an "Oh-Well" attitude. It should come down to the person and not the political party or BS that is going on. Thanks for recognizing that, it is appreciated. Attacks and assaults do no one any good.
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Post by Alex Oreilly on Nov 1, 2013 20:16:45 GMT -5
I am amazed at how so many of you have the wrong information. Sheriff Muller had an emergency that took him out of town late Sun. night/Mon morning and did not get back in town until Wed. He apparently was orginally told it was a Debate just for the Treasurer's as it was to be for the residents of Cross Keys (not the public)and they had a Debate there in the Primary. He did not commit to attending when informed by phone Wed. AM that they were now including teh Sheriff's candidates. He idicated he would try to be back in time and someone was told by the moderator that it would be a speak only and no question event, regardless of who showed up! If you care to spread lies and untruthful info (hearsay & gossip) you really do not belong on this site. People have more respect for those who know what they are talking about rather than those who jump on a band wagon and attack candidates. Trust me when I tell you Sheriff Muller has no problem debating his opponent and was looking forward to it actually - and on a final note thanks for all the empathy and understanding of a family emergency - I guess no one ever had one yourself. How did he not know that it included the Sheriff's position?, Certainly someone from the debate committe contacted him or his campaign team plus it had been advertised in the newspaper. If it was a family emergency then how did his replacement have time to give a prepared speech?
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Nov 4, 2013 10:43:15 GMT -5
Post by Deputy Sheriff on Nov 4, 2013 10:43:15 GMT -5
The debate at Cross Keys was not advetised in the newpaper that anyone I know saw and it was for the residents of Cross Keys Brethren home. They previously held one in the Pimary at the same location. I understand through the moderator it was a last minute decision to include the Sheriff's Race in the Debate He ontacted the candidates the Thurs or Fri priior to the Debate date.
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Nov 4, 2013 12:00:10 GMT -5
Post by crazy8 on Nov 4, 2013 12:00:10 GMT -5
He knew about it, said he couldn't make the Cross Keys debate. The moderator said that if things changed the Sheriff would let him know. He never called and said he was coming. How did things go with the Ag mixer?
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Nov 7, 2013 14:18:51 GMT -5
Post by Deputy Sheriff on Nov 7, 2013 14:18:51 GMT -5
I didn't know you spoke with Sheriff Muller and quoted that he knew about it and said he couldn't make it - but let's just say all the "drama" is now fortunately water under the bridge. Majority of the voters saw through the negative and attacking campaign of the opponent and did the right thing, So it really doesn't matter that he wasn't able to debate him. The opponent offered the voters nothing and could only attack an office he knows nothing about. Maybe he can get a job in excavating since he likes to dig up dirt?? Sad when he had nothing else to run on and exagerated what he did have to try and win an election, and had to resort to what he did. Thanks for the conversation!
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