Don't hate me for how I feel!!!

[trace1863]

Wow how to start this! I am a history nut. And Civl war history is my main passion. And Gettysburg was a starting point for this and has been part of my life since 1983.
As a out of towner I have felt latly that towns people of Gettysburg don't want outsiders to have a say in there home town.
I know this must be very fustrating and hard to take so many non Gettysburg people to have a say or have a opinon about your home town. But there is just so many that care. Even if you feel that we don't care about the same things you all do.
Living in a NPS area i hard. I live in the heart of the Allagany National forest. And we have are problums here to but knowing this is State land and we all pay taxes for its up keep we all should have a say. Even you all down in Gettysburg.
But seams diffrent becouse its not a Civil War battlefield. 58,000 men did not die in our town. but if someone wanted to build a richy resort in our area I would be right there protesting it. And they have tryed. outsiders had there say then here in our town.
There should be a happy medium to argeement here but I have seen none.
Should us tourist stay away? Should say nothing but keep paying tax payer money for the NPS and have no say? Stop spending money in your town at gift stores, museum,and dinning?

[deuce]

Virtually NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING except possibly some people's moral sensabilities will change or be effected for anyone whether they are an avowed Civil War history entusiast or just a typical tourist making a one day stop that visits Gettysburg if the casino is put in the exisitng Eisenhower Center.

[JoJo]

Short and sweet...

58,000 men did not die in our town either. Very few actually died in town. Most of the rest died on property owned by the federal government, which is currently known as the Gettysburg Battlefield, and is defined by distinct boundaries. Yes, the American taxpayers should have a say of what happens WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES. And no, the American taxpayers SHOULD NOT HAVE A SAY in what a private property owner does within his property which is OUTSIDE THOSE BOUNDARIES. Pretty simple...

[HoneyBadger]

Dec 3, 2010 12:09:59 GMT -5 JoJo said:

Short and sweet...

58,000 men did not die in our town either. Very few actually died in town. Most of the rest died on property owned by the federal government, which is currently known as the Gettysburg Battlefield, and is defined by distinct boundaries. Yes, the American taxpayers should have a say of what happens WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES. And no, the American taxpayers SHOULD NOT HAVE A SAY in what a private property owner does within his property which is OUTSIDE THOSE BOUNDARIES. Pretty simple...

With you 100% and I'm sick and tired of people thinking that this issue is against the tourists. It is about several groups of people who are trying to stifle growth through lies. They have misled the public from the outset. We are trying to live here; this is our home. If we were to go to their towns and try to destroy their homes and livelihood they'd feel the way we do.

[Venter]

Trace,
The ONLY people claiming that this will be bad for the tourists is the NCG.

The REASON they say that, is to get greater support from outsiders and visitors.
It was LIES, but it worked.

When you come to visit, the only difference may be determined by whether or not we get the Casino.
If we get it, more businesses may be able to remain open.
If we don't get it, the town will continue a downward spiral until the national economy picks up once again.

Oh sure, we'll get an uptick in tourism, leading up to the 150th, but after that... ?

[JoJo]

I can see it now... businesses continue to shut down, crime rates increase significantly, unemployment goes up, police services cut..... Just like Atlantic City BEFORE the casinos!

[trace1863]

I have tryed to keep out of the casino thing this time around. I still feel its wrong and will not do you all any good and in the long run and later your all be in here going why the hell did we let this happen but till then when i can say told ya so!!!! I have stayed out of the comments. and will not go into it.
And for the smart ass ness of the 58,000 remember they were shot and wonded in Gettysburg and taken else ware to die K got that i am not into history to da not know that much! Try not to make me look stupid i may not be the smartest cookie in the batch but i am not down right stupid thank you very much and not very kind to try to make me or anyone else feel that way.
The town is a national landmark k they fought and marched and shot through the town what ya think all the bullet holes in the buildings are for show???
Yes its 147 years later the world is shit since then but yes we all need to live in the now adays but history means alot to alot of people and change comes harder to handle then to most. But you have to excpet that when you live in a town like Gettysburg.
I am a nice person just ask most of the people that have meet me and my family. Were a fun loving family that care about Gettysburg and its future. We mean no harm. So please be kind back there is no need to be cruel!

[Fire Marshal Bill]

Dec 3, 2010 14:02:46 GMT -5 trace1863 said:

I have tryed to keep out of the casino thing this time around. I still feel its wrong and will not do you all any good and in the long run and later your all be in here going why the hell did we let this happen but till then when i can say told ya so!!!! I have stayed out of the comments. and will not go into it.
And for the smart ass ness of the 58,000 remember they were shot and wonded in Gettysburg and taken else ware to die K got that i am not into history to da not know that much! Try not to make me look stupid i may not be the smartest cookie in the batch but i am not down right stupid thank you very much and not very kind to try to make me or anyone else feel that way.
The town is a national landmark k they fought and marched and shot through the town what ya think all the bullet holes in the buildings are for show???
Yes its 147 years later the world is shit since then but yes we all need to live in the now adays but history means alot to alot of people and change comes harder to handle then to most. But you have to excpet that when you live in a town like Gettysburg.
I am a nice person just ask most of the people that have meet me and my family. Were a fun loving family that care about Gettysburg and its future. We mean no harm. So please be kind back there is no need to be cruel!

Yes Trace, we do appreciate and recognize our history. As a matter of fact, I would like to see a contest of knowledge about the Battle of Gettysburg between five or six, picked at random member who oppose this issue and five or six picked at random supporters, and I would wager that most supporting have at least as good a knowledge of the historical happenings here than the average person opposing.

And no body objects to outsiders having an opinion. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But please don’t tell us how we should live to meet your standards like many others are doing.

And no to nit pick, but of the 58,000 casualties, not all died here or anyplace else as a result of their wounds.

You say that you live in the heard of the Allagany National Forest. Do you live on private property or on park land? If you live on private property are people attempting to tell you what to do on your private land? That is what is happening here.

And you have expressed an opinion and you will be happy to know that your opinion is shared by others.

[rienzi]

Trace, I believe 58,000 died in Vietnam. There were 50k casualties which includes killed, wounded, captured and missing. About 7500 died outright during the battle.

That said, outsiders can fight all they want about what happens within the park boundaries. Outside should be left to locals.

[trace1863]

When people come into you town you want to see them have a good time and also buy things to help your town out! I have always gone and looked for the stores and places to eat that are small bussnss owners that are welcoming and friendly. We have befriended lot of great people in Gettysburg that we come down and support and vist. I vist the battlefield but not the Vistor center. The NPS treats you town people badly and its wrong. You all are just trying to make a livinging and to live your own lives.
I am very sorry if i have made anyone mad for any reason. I just have a opinion and i read all of yours and try to put myself in your place since i don't live in Gettysburg but vist very offten with my family that love gettysburg as much as me.
Sad thing is my feelings get hurt easly when i feel i am only wanting to be part of the discustion and people take me the wrong way. I am not out to offend anyone.
Yes we live in the heart of the allaganey National forest. We own are property But the woods around us hear and there are state owned forestry. There is a on going fight over drilling in the national forest. And a resort wanting be build in the area of the beach at kinzua area.
See we have our own goings on here. And many outsiders are involed in what is going on becouse its a state park. So we do know how it feels to have opinions from the outside of are area like you all do. And yes its not always good opinions but we all have to bare with the good and bad opinion and ideas that come about.

[Fire Marshal Bill]

Dec 6, 2010 13:26:01 GMT -5 trace1863 said:

When people come into you town you want to see them have a good time and also buy things to help your town out! I have always gone and looked for the stores and places to eat that are small bussnss owners that are welcoming and friendly. We have befriended lot of great people in Gettysburg that we come down and support and vist. I vist the battlefield but not the Vistor center. The NPS treats you town people badly and its wrong. You all are just trying to make a livinging and to live your own lives.
I am very sorry if i have made anyone mad for any reason. I just have a opinion and i read all of yours and try to put myself in your place since i don't live in Gettysburg but vist very offten with my family that love gettysburg as much as me.
Sad thing is my feelings get hurt easly when i feel i am only wanting to be part of the discustion and people take me the wrong way. I am not out to offend anyone.
Yes we live in the heart of the allaganey National forest. We own are property But the woods around us hear and there are state owned forestry. There is a on going fight over drilling in the national forest. And a resort wanting be build in the area of the beach at kinzua area.
See we have our own goings on here. And many outsiders are involed in what is going on becouse its a state park. So we do know how it feels to have opinions from the outside of are area like you all do. And yes its not always good opinions but we all have to bare with the good and bad opinion and ideas that come about.

And trace, I am glad you enjoy visiting Gettysburg and the surrounding area. But there is a difference between living here and visiting here. I know I visit the area in the western part of the state where my parents grew up and each time I enjoy the place and visiting places I remember as a child.

But when I get to visit relatives who still live there, they tell me of all kinds of problems that I don't see, just on my visit. Once they tell me about things, then I can notice the things they tell me about.

[gburgbaseballmom]

Dec 6, 2010 13:26:01 GMT -5 trace1863 said:

When people come into you town you want to see them have a good time and also buy things to help your town out! I have always gone and looked for the stores and places to eat that are small bussnss owners that are welcoming and friendly. We have befriended lot of great people in Gettysburg that we come down and support and vist. I vist the battlefield but not the Vistor center. The NPS treats you town people badly and its wrong. You all are just trying to make a livinging and to live your own lives.
I am very sorry if i have made anyone mad for any reason. I just have a opinion and i read all of yours and try to put myself in your place since i don't live in Gettysburg but vist very offten with my family that love gettysburg as much as me.
Sad thing is my feelings get hurt easly when i feel i am only wanting to be part of the discustion and people take me the wrong way. I am not out to offend anyone.
Yes we live in the heart of the allaganey National forest. We own are property But the woods around us hear and there are state owned forestry. There is a on going fight over drilling in the national forest. And a resort wanting be build in the area of the beach at kinzua area.
See we have our own goings on here. And many outsiders are involed in what is going on becouse its a state park. So we do know how it feels to have opinions from the outside of are area like you all do. And yes its not always good opinions but we all have to bare with the good and bad opinion and ideas that come about.

I love Ocean City. Been vacationing there for over 30 years. Doesn't mean I get to decide what happens there.

[HoneyBadger]

Dec 6, 2010 21:19:44 GMT -5 @gburgbaseballmom said:

Dec 6, 2010 13:26:01 GMT -5 trace1863 said:

When people come into you town you want to see them have a good time and also buy things to help your town out! I have always gone and looked for the stores and places to eat that are small bussnss owners that are welcoming and friendly. We have befriended lot of great people in Gettysburg that we come down and support and vist. I vist the battlefield but not the Vistor center. The NPS treats you town people badly and its wrong. You all are just trying to make a livinging and to live your own lives.
I am very sorry if i have made anyone mad for any reason. I just have a opinion and i read all of yours and try to put myself in your place since i don't live in Gettysburg but vist very offten with my family that love gettysburg as much as me.
Sad thing is my feelings get hurt easly when i feel i am only wanting to be part of the discustion and people take me the wrong way. I am not out to offend anyone.
Yes we live in the heart of the allaganey National forest. We own are property But the woods around us hear and there are state owned forestry. There is a on going fight over drilling in the national forest. And a resort wanting be build in the area of the beach at kinzua area.
See we have our own goings on here. And many outsiders are involed in what is going on becouse its a state park. So we do know how it feels to have opinions from the outside of are area like you all do. And yes its not always good opinions but we all have to bare with the good and bad opinion and ideas that come about.

I love Ocean City. Been vacationing there for over 30 years. Doesn't mean I get to decide what happens there.

I love Gettysburg. Lived here all my life. Getting out before summer if I can swing it and don't ever want to come back. All of the people who think it belongs to the nation can have it.

[dspitz17325]

Dec 6, 2010 21:19:44 GMT -5 @gburgbaseballmom said:

Dec 6, 2010 13:26:01 GMT -5 trace1863 said:

When people come into you town you want to see them have a good time and also buy things to help your town out! I have always gone and looked for the stores and places to eat that are small bussnss owners that are welcoming and friendly. We have befriended lot of great people in Gettysburg that we come down and support and vist. I vist the battlefield but not the Vistor center. The NPS treats you town people badly and its wrong. You all are just trying to make a livinging and to live your own lives.
I am very sorry if i have made anyone mad for any reason. I just have a opinion and i read all of yours and try to put myself in your place since i don't live in Gettysburg but vist very offten with my family that love gettysburg as much as me.
Sad thing is my feelings get hurt easly when i feel i am only wanting to be part of the discustion and people take me the wrong way. I am not out to offend anyone.
Yes we live in the heart of the allaganey National forest. We own are property But the woods around us hear and there are state owned forestry. There is a on going fight over drilling in the national forest. And a resort wanting be build in the area of the beach at kinzua area.
See we have our own goings on here. And many outsiders are involed in what is going on becouse its a state park. So we do know how it feels to have opinions from the outside of are area like you all do. And yes its not always good opinions but we all have to bare with the good and bad opinion and ideas that come about.

I love Ocean City. Been vacationing there for over 30 years. Doesn't mean I get to decide what happens there.

AMEN !