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Post by SpellChecker on Sept 16, 2010 15:08:28 GMT -5
www.eveningsun.com/ci_16088838apparently all this time NCG has been harping the line "you wouldn't put a casino at normandy" they failed to check and see that there are not one but 2 as Rich put it there and the french even went as far as to comment on the casinos there. The real funny part comes in the comments when a NCG person called him a liar after Rich cited his refrences and even called the french himself and included their statement in his letter. I challeneged this person to prove to us Rich is a liar (which I know you aren't Rich)
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Post by SpellChecker on Sept 16, 2010 17:25:12 GMT -5
An hour ago susan posted a LTE from a philly paper kinda funny that she hasn't posted this on up on her facebook page yet
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Post by SFP on Sept 17, 2010 0:55:25 GMT -5
Well, I would say Rich is correct regarding the 2 casinos in Normandie. The thing is that the one in Deauville is about 68 miles from the Normany Landing area and the one in Trouville is about 96 miles from there. Put one that far from Gettysburg and I'm with you.
The Hotel Du Casino on Omaha Beach is a 13 room family opperated hotel, but there is no casino in the hotel. Just an FYI
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Sept 17, 2010 5:53:29 GMT -5
Well, I would say Rich is correct regarding the 2 casinos in Normandie. The thing is that the one in Deauville is about 68 miles from the Normany Landing area and the one in Trouville is about 96 miles from there. Put one that far from Gettysburg and I'm with you. The Hotel Du Casino on Omaha Beach is a 13 room family opperated hotel, but there is no casino in the hotel. Just an FYI Why don't we keep it in state to make it easier for everyone. There's a cat III at the entrance to the Valley Forge park and the Sugarhouse casino just opened in Philadelphia less than a mile from Independence Hall, THE MOST IMPORTANT HISTORICAL SITE IN OUR NATION. That's an fyi for you sfp. The precedent has been set, in Pennsylvania. |
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Post by SpellChecker on Sept 17, 2010 6:29:09 GMT -5
Well, I would say Rich is correct regarding the 2 casinos in Normandie. The thing is that the one in Deauville is about 68 miles from the Normany Landing area and the one in Trouville is about 96 miles from there. Put one that far from Gettysburg and I'm with you. The Hotel Du Casino on Omaha Beach is a 13 room family opperated hotel, but there is no casino in the hotel. Just an FYI He never said they were on the beach the point was they are in normandy. While I agree they might be further away the point was they are near by and the french said there is cross over between the casino toutists and the hertiage tourists. Much like the french casinos MD will not be in Gettysburg or on the battlefield and there will be cross over tourism (which i think even you said would not happen) And sal if you read what your friend Charles wrote one of the casinos is pretty much on hallowed soil just because its not on the landing beach doesnt make it any less hallowed. |
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Post by SpellChecker on Sept 17, 2010 6:42:23 GMT -5
Well, I would say Rich is correct regarding the 2 casinos in Normandie. The thing is that the one in Deauville is about 68 miles from the Normany Landing area and the one in Trouville is about 96 miles from there. Put one that far from Gettysburg and I'm with you. The Hotel Du Casino on Omaha Beach is a 13 room family opperated hotel, but there is no casino in the hotel. Just an FYI Why don't we keep it in state to make it easier for everyone. There's a cat III at the entrance to the Valley Forge park and the Sugarhouse casino just opened in Philadelphia less than a mile from Independence Hall, THE MOST IMPORTANT HISTORICAL SITE IN OUR NATION. That's an fyi for you sfp. The precedent has been set, in Pennsylvania. They want to ignore those facts, they don't help the NCG case |
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Post by SFP on Sept 17, 2010 10:00:27 GMT -5
Well, I would say Rich is correct regarding the 2 casinos in Normandie. The thing is that the one in Deauville is about 68 miles from the Normany Landing area and the one in Trouville is about 96 miles from there. Put one that far from Gettysburg and I'm with you. The Hotel Du Casino on Omaha Beach is a 13 room family opperated hotel, but there is no casino in the hotel. Just an FYI He never said they were on the beach the point was they are in normandy. While I agree they might be further away the point was they are near by and the french said there is cross over between the casino toutists and the hertiage tourists. Much like the french casinos MD will not be in Gettysburg or on the battlefield and there will be cross over tourism (which i think even you said would not happen) And sal if you read what your friend Charles wrote one of the casinos is pretty much on hallowed soil just because its not on the landing beach doesnt make it any less hallowed. Ron, the problem you have is that Mr. Kitner left the impression that the casinos were next to the Normandy landing beaches when in fact the closest is over 60 miles away. Thats one of those pesky little facts that changes the entire impression of what Mr. Kitner said. He didn't lie, he just left out some of the relavant information. I'll bet he just overlooked it. You could say Hollywood Casino is near Gettysburg (its in Pennsylvania) - its closer than the French ones are to the landing beaches, but that comparison does not help your argument does it. The reference to not putting a casino in "Normandy" was always in reference to the landing area as compared to the Provence. The landing areas - cemeteries have always been the reference point. The province of Normandy is a huge area encompassing hundreds of miles. I've always said that I'd be ok with a casino even in Hanover or Chambersburg, but not here. Putting it a half mile from the battlefield is the problem, not matter the building if its already built or not or if its underground. Some other place thank you. |
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Post by SpellChecker on Sept 17, 2010 11:03:21 GMT -5
He never said they were on the beach the point was they are in normandy. While I agree they might be further away the point was they are near by and the french said there is cross over between the casino toutists and the hertiage tourists. Much like the french casinos MD will not be in Gettysburg or on the battlefield and there will be cross over tourism (which i think even you said would not happen) And sal if you read what your friend Charles wrote one of the casinos is pretty much on hallowed soil just because its not on the landing beach doesnt make it any less hallowed. Ron, the problem you have is that Mr. Kitner left the impression that the casinos were next to the Normandy landing beaches when in fact the closest is over 60 miles away. Thats one of those pesky little facts that changes the entire impression of what Mr. Kitner said. He didn't lie, he just left out some of the relavant information. I'll bet he just overlooked it. . What you mean like some other little group likes to do with things like Vicksburg or the PGCB meeting? |
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Post by SFP on Sept 17, 2010 19:59:49 GMT -5
Ron, the problem you have is that Mr. Kitner left the impression that the casinos were next to the Normandy landing beaches when in fact the closest is over 60 miles away. Thats one of those pesky little facts that changes the entire impression of what Mr. Kitner said. He didn't lie, he just left out some of the relavant information. I'll bet he just overlooked it. . What you mean like some other little group likes to do with things like Vicksburg or the PGCB meeting? You look at Vicksburg and see a thing of beauty, others don't. What does matter is not what you or I think, but what others such as the PGCB think, and right now, I'm good with that. |
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Post by SpellChecker on Sept 17, 2010 20:28:17 GMT -5
What you mean like some other little group likes to do with things like Vicksburg or the PGCB meeting? You look at Vicksburg and see a thing of beauty, others don't. What does matter is not what you or I think, but what others such as the PGCB think, and right now, I'm good with that. Thats right and I look at the casinos at normady being in normandy and near hallowed ground thus no differn than here  |
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Post by Fire Marshal Bill on Sept 18, 2010 8:36:50 GMT -5
He never said they were on the beach the point was they are in normandy. While I agree they might be further away the point was they are near by and the french said there is cross over between the casino toutists and the hertiage tourists. Much like the french casinos MD will not be in Gettysburg or on the battlefield and there will be cross over tourism (which i think even you said would not happen) And sal if you read what your friend Charles wrote one of the casinos is pretty much on hallowed soil just because its not on the landing beach doesnt make it any less hallowed. Ron, the problem you have is that Mr. Kitner left the impression that the casinos were next to the Normandy landing beaches when in fact the closest is over 60 miles away. Thats one of those pesky little facts that changes the entire impression of what Mr. Kitner said. He didn't lie, he just left out some of the relavant information. I'll bet he just overlooked it. You could say Hollywood Casino is near Gettysburg (its in Pennsylvania) - its closer than the French ones are to the landing beaches, but that comparison does not help your argument does it. The reference to not putting a casino in "Normandy" was always in reference to the landing area as compared to the Provence. The landing areas - cemeteries have always been the reference point. The province of Normandy is a huge area encompassing hundreds of miles. I've always said that I'd be ok with a casino even in Hanover or Chambersburg, but not here. Putting it a half mile from the battlefield is the problem, not matter the building if its already built or not or if its underground. Some other place thank you. Sal, back to beating the dead horse here, but how much of the information put out by the NCG group would very easily give someone the impression that this casino will be on the battlefield or National Park? How many of those who signed the petitions were under the impression that it will actually be on the national or on the battlefield? Now many people who signed the on line petitions have no idea in the world just where the casino is, or could even find it on a map? They say the message "save Gettysburg". Please do not say anything about misleading or misinforming people about any position for or against this casino. |
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Post by lifesaver on Sept 18, 2010 10:18:34 GMT -5
Ron, the problem you have is that Mr. Kitner left the impression that the casinos were next to the Normandy landing beaches when in fact the closest is over 60 miles away. Thats one of those pesky little facts that changes the entire impression of what Mr. Kitner said. He didn't lie, he just left out some of the relavant information. I'll bet he just overlooked it. You could say Hollywood Casino is near Gettysburg (its in Pennsylvania) - its closer than the French ones are to the landing beaches, but that comparison does not help your argument does it. The reference to not putting a casino in "Normandy" was always in reference to the landing area as compared to the Provence. The landing areas - cemeteries have always been the reference point. The province of Normandy is a huge area encompassing hundreds of miles. I've always said that I'd be ok with a casino even in Hanover or Chambersburg, but not here. Putting it a half mile from the battlefield is the problem, not matter the building if its already built or not or if its underground. Some other place thank you. Sal, back to beating the dead horse here, but how much of the information put out by the NCG group would very easily give someone the impression that this casino will be on the battlefield or National Park? How many of those who signed the petitions were under the impression that it will actually be on the national or on the battlefield? Now many people who signed the on line petitions have no idea in the world just where the casino is, or could even find it on a map? They say the message "save Gettysburg". Please do not say anything about misleading or misinforming people about any position for or against this casino. Bill, the pride NCG takes in gathering those thousands of petitions reminds me of a Penn and Teller prank. An attractive woman went around a gathering of people and asked them to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide. She did not misrepresent anything, everything she told was the truth. She got many people to sign the petition, to ban WATER. Just goes to show you how easily people can be misled. There is even a website to warn people of the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide. Sound like another web site we know? Here is the web site www.dhma.organd the video of the petition: Sorry the URL was bad. Until I can figure out how to download the video (which could take me all day ;D just look on You Tube Penn and Teller water band and you should be able to find it. |
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Post by SFP on Sept 18, 2010 15:00:21 GMT -5
Ron, the problem you have is that Mr. Kitner left the impression that the casinos were next to the Normandy landing beaches when in fact the closest is over 60 miles away. Thats one of those pesky little facts that changes the entire impression of what Mr. Kitner said. He didn't lie, he just left out some of the relavant information. I'll bet he just overlooked it. You could say Hollywood Casino is near Gettysburg (its in Pennsylvania) - its closer than the French ones are to the landing beaches, but that comparison does not help your argument does it. The reference to not putting a casino in "Normandy" was always in reference to the landing area as compared to the Provence. The landing areas - cemeteries have always been the reference point. The province of Normandy is a huge area encompassing hundreds of miles. I've always said that I'd be ok with a casino even in Hanover or Chambersburg, but not here. Putting it a half mile from the battlefield is the problem, not matter the building if its already built or not or if its underground. Some other place thank you. Sal, back to beating the dead horse here, but how much of the information put out by the NCG group would very easily give someone the impression that this casino will be on the battlefield or National Park? How many of those who signed the petitions were under the impression that it will actually be on the national or on the battlefield? Now many people who signed the on line petitions have no idea in the world just where the casino is, or could even find it on a map? They say the message "save Gettysburg". Please do not say anything about misleading or misinforming people about any position for or against this casino. Ok Bill, one last time about impressions. The Pro side loves to spin the impression that we say the casino is on the battlefield. I've gone back and checked the 3 sites I keep track of which are the main sites against the casino I look at, although the other preservation groups use the same information. There's also links to the historains letter, the one sent to Mr. LeVan, as well as the map we have showing where the proposed casino is. Here is what there is: Civil War Preservation Trus Web site: DEFEND AMERICA'S HERITAGE Once again a group of investors have chosen Gettysburg, Pennsylvania – the scene of indescribable suffering in 1863 – as the location for a new casino. The proposed casino would be a mere ½ mile south of the National Park. NCG Facebook site: Category: Common Interest - History Description: Prevent a casino from being licensed just 1/2 mile from the Gettysburg National Military Park right on the Journey Through Hallowed Ground. www.nocasinogettysburg.orgPrivacy Type: Open: All content is public. NCG Web site: In 2005 and 2006 No Casino Gettysburg helped prevent the proposed “Crossroads” casino just one mile from the Gettysburg National Military Park. Now the same investor who proposed that project is at it again. David LeVan and Joseph Lashinger Jr. want to establish a “resort” casino even closer, just 1/2 mile from the southern border of the Gettysburg National Military Park in Gettysburg PA. This casino would be on the property of Eisenhower Inn and Conference Center on the historic Emmitsburg Rd. (old business route 15) - the Journey Through Hallowed Ground, which cuts directly through Pickett's charge. The decision will be made by the PA Gaming Control Board sometime this winter. Their first public hearing is concluded, but you can still submit written testimony to the PGCB until Nov 1, 2010 at speakforthefallen.orgLetter from the 275 Historians opposing the casino in Gettysburg: (Gettysburg, Pa.) – To mark the 147th anniversary of the bloodiest battle in American history, 278 American historians, including some of the country’s most respected academics, today sent a letter to Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board chairman Gregory Fajt, urging the rejection of the application for the Mason-Dixon Gaming Resort. If approved, the proposed gambling hall will be located just one-half mile from America’s most hallowed battleground. The link for the map of where the casino is in relation to the park which shows it a half mile from the park boundry: www.civilwar.org/battlefields/gettysburg/maps/gettysburg-casino-locator-map.htmlLinks to the letter sent to David Levan as well as the press release put out by the 4 major preservation groups that Mr. LeVan tried to get to stay neutral or support the project: www.civilwar.org/aboutus/news/news-releases/2010-news/assets/levan-casino-letter.pdfwww.civilwar.org/take-action/speak-out/gettysburg/gettysburg-casino-opposition.pdfEverything here refers to the project being a half mile from the park. So please spare me the spin that we are implying along the line that its on the battlefield. Thats a good line the Pro side uses to to explain why people are supposed to be misinformed about the project. Let see, there were 30,000 signed petitions turned in at the hearing - you think everyone was misinformed? I know in the few hundred I was involved in, it was always the same information being discussed and handed out. Look at the map on the Mason Dixon site and the park is not even shown in relation to the casino location - just a mistake I guess. Wheter you believe me or not, thats the truth as I know it. |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Sept 18, 2010 15:02:41 GMT -5
Good grief Sal, you're becoming as bad as Bill Kearney.
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Post by SFP on Sept 18, 2010 15:37:41 GMT -5
Good grief Sal, you're becoming as bad as Bill Kearney. Well Linda, sorry you feel that way, but was just responding to Bill's post. |
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Post by lifesaver on Sept 18, 2010 17:32:38 GMT -5
Sorry Sal, you're not getting a pass on this one. You may not be giving that information per se, but I could point out more than a couple of posts on the FB site that posters have made that lead me to believe otherwise, and worse, no mention is made to correct them on their misconception. To say nothing only gives the semblance that their perception is true, and who else did they give that information to etc. etc. Remember the childhood game Whisper down the Valley? There is no way that you, or any of the local NCG group spoke to all of those people. People that don't live here, work here, or pay taxes here. Who knows how the truth was distorted once it was "Whispered down the valley"? You can't! But that is also the operation of NCG, there is never any accountability for anything. What Sharon and New to this Game did was despicable. I know you know who one of those people are, and dollars to donuts I'll bet you know the other one too. I will respect anyone's opinion on the casino, as long as the respect is returned in kind. For the most part Sal, I can agree to disagree on your opinions. On this point I can't. And for you to impassively defend what they did only brings you down to their level.
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Sept 18, 2010 18:07:57 GMT -5
Sal, what do you have to say about speakforthefallen.org linking directly to the PGCB site? That's the Big Mac of deceit if you ask me.
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Post by HoneyBadger on Sept 18, 2010 18:31:13 GMT -5
Good grief Sal, you're becoming as bad as Bill Kearney. Well Linda, sorry you feel that way, but was just responding to Bill's post. You're like Janus, the two-faced god. He was a Roman god of beginnings and ends. Your two faces are honesty and deceit and deceit is overcoming honesty. The rest, well, lifesaver said it better. My friends follow the Topix and NCG FB. I don't - except for this week. That was an anomaly which will not occur again. |
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Post by SFP on Sept 18, 2010 23:11:30 GMT -5
Sorry Sal, you're not getting a pass on this one. You may not be giving that information per se, but I could point out more than a couple of posts on the FB site that posters have made that lead me to believe otherwise, and worse, no mention is made to correct them on their misconception. To say nothing only gives the semblance that their perception is true, and who else did they give that information to etc. etc. Remember the childhood game Whisper down the Valley? There is no way that you, or any of the local NCG group spoke to all of those people. People that don't live here, work here, or pay taxes here. Who knows how the truth was distorted once it was "Whispered down the valley"? You can't! But that is also the operation of NCG, there is never any accountability for anything. What Sharon and New to this Game did was despicable. I know you know who one of those people are, and dollars to donuts I'll bet you know the other one too. I will respect anyone's opinion on the casino, as long as the respect is returned in kind. For the most part Sal, I can agree to disagree on your opinions. On this point I can't. And for you to impassively defend what they did only brings you down to their level. I'm not looking for a pass Lifesaver, I don't need one. I can just as soon not bother to respond, but this is a problem that is not going away. You think I'm defending this kind of stuff? Don't you get it? I'm not justifying Linda's situation, but that doesn't make the same things and worse that happend with Violet any different in my book either. I don't think you can honestly say Linda's situation is bad and not acknowledge the same about Violet, the films, phone calls etc.. They're both bad in my opinion. So what do we do now, keep escalating this until someone really does something stupid? I'll say it again - this whole tone of hate is a really bad thing for everybody and unfortunately, nobody seems to be trying to lower the level of crap being thrown around. What happens when its over - no matter how it goes down? The losers move away? I doubt it, but the deeper the rift, the longer it will take to get any semblance of normalcy around here. Some people may be fine with that, and might enjoy the prospect of it. I'm not. You can poke at me all you want, but it doesn't make what I'm saying any less valid. Way too much anger out there to do anybody any good on either side. |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Sept 19, 2010 9:13:12 GMT -5
You just don't get the difference between Violet and me, do you?
Violet has been in the press since the beginning. She has been out there for everyone to see and hear. Violet actually encouraged people to vilify her. She reveled in the publicity. She gave as good as she got and enjoyed it all. She even has her own lap dog.
I didn't do any of those things but I was singled out by your people. I'm a nobody and I certainly don't revel in publicity. Most of my talking has been on BV with people who mattered to me. The "lap dog" I wanted bit me and ran away. No book sales for me.
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Sept 19, 2010 10:40:47 GMT -5
You just don't get the difference between Violet and me, do you? Violet has been in the press since the beginning. She has been out there for everyone to see and hear. Violet actually encouraged people to vilify her. She reveled in the publicity. She gave as good as she got and enjoyed it all. She even has her own lap dog. I didn't do any of those things but I was singled out by your people. I'm a nobody and I certainly don't revel in publicity. Most of my talking has been on BV with people who mattered to me. The "lap dog" I wanted bit me and ran away. No book sales for me. He gets it FT but it seems very important to Sal that he be on the side of right and good even if that means manipulating and bastardizing his own definitions of those two things. Oh and Sal, the deepening rift you speak of was dug deepest by your group's unwillingness to hold their outside hatchet men like Violet accountable. Even now you are on here trying to dodge accountability. |
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Post by Fire Marshal Bill on Sept 19, 2010 12:23:33 GMT -5
I just got back from a family reunion yesterday. It was great for me to see about 40 relatives that I never knew existed. But that is another story. After we were there about 20 minutes one of them ask about the casino in Gettysburg. He and his wife then gave me about a 15 minute tough lashing about misrepresenting the issue and giving people the impression that it was actually going to be on the battlefield. They chastised me for allowing those pictures of the Emmitsburg Road by the Codori barn to be publicized with the caption "This doesn't seem like the right place for a casino.?" they would not let me interrupt long enough to explain that I support the casino.
Now the fact that they are relatives of mine probably is not the best testimonial of their intelligence. But they have been here often, and they were insulted that this can take place. So don't give me this Bull that it was not intentional. Those in NCG intentionally misrepresent this issue and do nothing to correct anyone if they make in improper assumption.
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Post by MattC on Sept 19, 2010 12:24:45 GMT -5
Sal, back to beating the dead horse here, but how much of the information put out by the NCG group would very easily give someone the impression that this casino will be on the battlefield or National Park? How many of those who signed the petitions were under the impression that it will actually be on the national or on the battlefield? Now many people who signed the on line petitions have no idea in the world just where the casino is, or could even find it on a map? They say the message "save Gettysburg". Please do not say anything about misleading or misinforming people about any position for or against this casino. Ok Bill, one last time about impressions. The Pro side loves to spin the impression that we say the casino is on the battlefield. I've gone back and checked the 3 sites I keep track of which are the main sites against the casino I look at, although the other preservation groups use the same information. There's also links to the historains letter, the one sent to Mr. LeVan, as well as the map we have showing where the proposed casino is. Here is what there is: Civil War Preservation Trus Web site: DEFEND AMERICA'S HERITAGE Once again a group of investors have chosen Gettysburg, Pennsylvania – the scene of indescribable suffering in 1863 – as the location for a new casino. The proposed casino would be a mere ½ mile south of the National Park. NCG Facebook site: Category: Common Interest - History Description: Prevent a casino from being licensed just 1/2 mile from the Gettysburg National Military Park right on the Journey Through Hallowed Ground. www.nocasinogettysburg.orgPrivacy Type: Open: All content is public. NCG Web site: In 2005 and 2006 No Casino Gettysburg helped prevent the proposed “Crossroads” casino just one mile from the Gettysburg National Military Park. Now the same investor who proposed that project is at it again. David LeVan and Joseph Lashinger Jr. want to establish a “resort” casino even closer, just 1/2 mile from the southern border of the Gettysburg National Military Park in Gettysburg PA. This casino would be on the property of Eisenhower Inn and Conference Center on the historic Emmitsburg Rd. (old business route 15) - the Journey Through Hallowed Ground, which cuts directly through Pickett's charge. The decision will be made by the PA Gaming Control Board sometime this winter. Their first public hearing is concluded, but you can still submit written testimony to the PGCB until Nov 1, 2010 at speakforthefallen.orgLetter from the 275 Historians opposing the casino in Gettysburg: (Gettysburg, Pa.) – To mark the 147th anniversary of the bloodiest battle in American history, 278 American historians, including some of the country’s most respected academics, today sent a letter to Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board chairman Gregory Fajt, urging the rejection of the application for the Mason-Dixon Gaming Resort. If approved, the proposed gambling hall will be located just one-half mile from America’s most hallowed battleground. The link for the map of where the casino is in relation to the park which shows it a half mile from the park boundry: www.civilwar.org/battlefields/gettysburg/maps/gettysburg-casino-locator-map.htmlLinks to the letter sent to David Levan as well as the press release put out by the 4 major preservation groups that Mr. LeVan tried to get to stay neutral or support the project: www.civilwar.org/aboutus/news/news-releases/2010-news/assets/levan-casino-letter.pdfwww.civilwar.org/take-action/speak-out/gettysburg/gettysburg-casino-opposition.pdfEverything here refers to the project being a half mile from the park. So please spare me the spin that we are implying along the line that its on the battlefield. Thats a good line the Pro side uses to to explain why people are supposed to be misinformed about the project. Let see, there were 30,000 signed petitions turned in at the hearing - you think everyone was misinformed? I know in the few hundred I was involved in, it was always the same information being discussed and handed out. Look at the map on the Mason Dixon site and the park is not even shown in relation to the casino location - just a mistake I guess. Wheter you believe me or not, thats the truth as I know it. Nice try, Sal. But I don't recall anyone on the pro side saying that the no side has OFFICIALLY (meaning in non-discussion text on their various sites) said it's on the battlefield. I have spoken to a few tourists who were accosted by one of the NCG propaganda booths and they were at least led to believe, if not told, that it will be on the battlefield. When I pressed them, they couldn't recall if the words "on the battlefield" were said or if that was the implication they got. I did overhear one discussion at such a booth, if front of a church, no less, in which an unwitting tourist was told it was "on the battlefield". Perplexed, the tourist said, "How can they do that? The Park Service will let them do that?" The answer she got was, "Money talks." The tourist signed. Beyond the misleading or outright lies, there are the implications of Big Vi's billboards. Her pictures are of parts of the battlefield. Then there's a witty message about telling things to your grandchildren or speaking for the fallen followed by the NCG logo. What does that imply to one who knows no better? It implies that there will be a casino smack dab in the middle of Pickett's Charge. |
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Post by MattC on Sept 19, 2010 12:38:02 GMT -5
You just don't get the difference between Violet and me, do you? Violet has been in the press since the beginning. She has been out there for everyone to see and hear. Violet actually encouraged people to vilify her. She reveled in the publicity. She gave as good as she got and enjoyed it all. She even has her own lap dog. I didn't do any of those things but I was singled out by your people. I'm a nobody and I certainly don't revel in publicity. Most of my talking has been on BV with people who mattered to me. The "lap dog" I wanted bit me and ran away. No book sales for me. You beat me to it, Townie. I was going to same the same thing. Violet and SSP, et al, invite scrutiny, criticism and lampooning the minute they decide to make themselves public figures. No one called them into the spotlight. They sought it. Susan, I can understand. She's local. Nutty, but local. Violet is, as she reminded us once or twice, 700 miles away. She had to make more of an effort to get involved. She injected herself into this issue. And being that she's not a local, she may have drawn the ire of more people for just that reason. Name me any locality that would appreciate an outsider trying to dictate its destiny. Furthermore, though we all know who "Violet Terror Quark" is, not everyone does. There's a reason why I didn't use her real name. Ok, two reasons. One is that, though inspired by Violet, Violent was meant to be a composite of all you loons. If you listen to what she says in the videos, many of the claims and absurd lines are attributable to other NCGers as well as Big Vi. The main reason is that she is a "professional". I wouldn't want to use her real name and have her employer (current or future) find the videos, mistake by dead-on impression for it being her and fired, reprimand or not hire her. As much as I find her deplorable, she still has to put food on the table (I'll let Gene insert the obvious joke here). When this is all over, Big Vi will slither back into her Tennessee swamp and Susan will continue to churn out dissatisfied and worse-off clients like before. No matter how strongly any of us feel, it's not worth someone losing their livelihood over. It just isn't. I mean, you can go to the official No Casino Gettysburg Videos FB page and see NCGers threatening to call SNL in order to make them break the contract we just signed and not hire me as a writer. For what? Is the casino that important of an issue that I don't deserve to pursue my dream and find employment in the field of my choice? Just because I totally nailed your whole movement to a cross by pointing out your absurdity with these videos, doesn't mean I don't deserve to work. And I say the same goes for Vi, Susan, and even that witch that outed Townie. Heated and sometimes immature or downright nasty arguments and debates are par for the course. This is politics. But leave it at that. Don't jeopardize a person's job. Especially in this job market. |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Sept 19, 2010 13:05:57 GMT -5
Thanks Matt. You covered it far better than I've been able to express. I thought that I was expressing the difference between us clearly but apparently Sal's brain is as inpenetrable as the rest of the brains of NCG.
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