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Post by HoneyBadger on Sept 18, 2010 10:53:55 GMT -5
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Sept 18, 2010 11:51:42 GMT -5
Let's say you're a two term Governor. Let's say you are suffering the lowest approval ratings of your time in office. Let's say you've been down this road before with NCG. Let's say you have only a couple of months in office when you get asked about the casino. What would you do? Would you say I'm against it and save yourself the aggravation of having to finish your time in office getting called every 5 minutes by SSP, SFP, Dan, Jim, Charles and a bunch of other crazy curmudgeons? A group that trashed you a few months ago? I would have said the same thing. And I'd say it with a straight face knowing all the while I'm doing everything I can behind the scenes to help my friend before I leave office.
I'm just saying.
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Post by Venter on Sept 18, 2010 17:57:53 GMT -5
Okay, you've all made some good points, and I'm about to turn this around a bit.
If a goofus like Dan Siderio knows that the Governor will be on TV, and the usual NCG suspects were lined up behind him, then why was OUR side not informed of the call-in show?
Who dropped the ball? Now that's what REALLY pisses me off! I'm tired of playing catch-up with the antics of the NCG. They use all the slimy tricks in the book, and we do the mop-up.
Is it stupid for us to have to call every radio and TV show? ABSOLUTELY, but if it's not done, then we will continue to be in the position we are now.
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Post by HoneyBadger on Sept 18, 2010 18:46:10 GMT -5
Okay, you've all made some good points, and I'm about to turn this around a bit. If a goofus like Dan Siderio knows that the Governor will be on TV, and the usual NCG suspects were lined up behind him, then why was OUR side not informed of the call-in show? Who dropped the ball? Now that's what REALLY pisses me off! I'm tired of playing catch-up with the antics of the NCG. They use all the slimy tricks in the book, and we do the mop-up. Is it stupid for us to have to call every radio and TV show? ABSOLUTELY, but if it's not done, then we will continue to be in the position we are now. I would be happy to offer to call every radio and TV station in the area because I certainly can access their telephone numbers and even the names of the staton managers. However, since my movements (regular if you care to know) are carefully watched I can't volunteer to place calls. Sorry.
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Post by anonymous on Sept 18, 2010 20:07:29 GMT -5
Let's say you're a two term Governor. Let's say you are suffering the lowest approval ratings of your time in office. Let's say you've been down this road before with NCG. Let's say you have only a couple of months in office when you get asked about the casino. What would you do? Would you say I'm against it and save yourself the aggravation of having to finish your time in office getting called every 5 minutes by SSP, SFP, Dan, Jim, Charles and a bunch of other crazy curmudgeons? A group that trashed you a few months ago? I would have said the same thing. And I'd say it with a straight face knowing all the while I'm doing everything I can behind the scenes to help my friend before I leave office. I'm just saying. So, you're saying that the Governor made public statements against the casino being located here and at the same time is "doing everything [he] can behind the scenes to help [his] friend". Gee, there's a word for this, and youse guys use it all the time when you're dissing the "no's", but it slips my mind...... ah, now I remember what it is: liar that's it. If he's leaving, who the *&^% cares about Paddock? Are you saying the the Guv is intimidated by Paddock? Gimme a break. He's only got a few months to go , and very little to lose, unless he's bucking for a Federal position where he would have to face preservation-minded senators. Why wouldn't he say: "look, people, we can steal a march on the Marylanders, and get a casino built close to many of them. It'll take them five years to pass legislation, go through a process like we did, award licenses, and then build casinos closer to those residents. Until then we can have them paying their money into the PA state treasury. We'll gain a few hundred jobs in the process, and someone else will help us pay for them". If you really believe that Fast Eddie is lying through his teeth, and is exerting efforts to persuade the PGCB to throw this selection to Mason-Dixon, then I suggest you cease using the words "liar" and "hypocrite" out of future condemnation of the no's. Guess there's more than one flavor of Kool-Aid in the world. Enjoy yours. In the final analysis, however, the PGCB will have the last word on this matter, and that last word will be "Nemacolin".
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Sept 18, 2010 20:39:37 GMT -5
Like I said before anonymous, I'm not afraid to call a spade a spade. Pro or no makes no difference to me. The Governor is a liar and a hypocrite. He's a politician. That's what they do. And it's not a matter of being afraid, it's a matter of not needing or wanting the headaches NCG causes when he's a lame duck on his way out of office with no real authority when it comes to where the license goes.
And I will continue to call NCG a bunch of liars and hypocrites because that's what they are. Even this thing with the Gov reeks of hypocrisy. NCG spent a lot of time bashing and vilifying the guy when he made his first comments a few months back. Now he's suddenly their champion? Gimme a break.
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Post by Javier Miguel Vazquez III on Sept 19, 2010 8:35:58 GMT -5
"Someone" was identified as Dan Siderio in both local papers.
Look for another 'letter to the editor' by the Siderios soon in a newspaper near you.
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Sept 19, 2010 12:01:11 GMT -5
"Someone" was identified as Dan Siderio in both local papers. Look for another 'letter to the editor' by the Siderios soon in a newspaper near you. No doubt. I heard he was so proud of his call in to the Gov he showed up at a couple local papers with a transcript demanding it be printed. Why bring that up? Because it speaks directly to how annoying NCG can be and why the Gov wouldn't want to have to deal with their BS for his last months in office.
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Post by MattC on Sept 19, 2010 12:02:23 GMT -5
Let's say you're a two term Governor. Let's say you are suffering the lowest approval ratings of your time in office. Let's say you've been down this road before with NCG. Let's say you have only a couple of months in office when you get asked about the casino. What would you do? Would you say I'm against it and save yourself the aggravation of having to finish your time in office getting called every 5 minutes by SSP, SFP, Dan, Jim, Charles and a bunch of other crazy curmudgeons? A group that trashed you a few months ago? I would have said the same thing. And I'd say it with a straight face knowing all the while I'm doing everything I can behind the scenes to help my friend before I leave office. I'm just saying. So, you're saying that the Governor made public statements against the casino being located here and at the same time is "doing everything [he] can behind the scenes to help [his] friend". Gee, there's a word for this, and youse guys use it all the time when you're dissing the "no's", but it slips my mind...... ah, now I remember what it is: liar that's it. If he's leaving, who the *&^% cares about Paddock? Are you saying the the Guv is intimidated by Paddock? Gimme a break. He's only got a few months to go , and very little to lose, unless he's bucking for a Federal position where he would have to face preservation-minded senators. Why wouldn't he say: "look, people, we can steal a march on the Marylanders, and get a casino built close to many of them. It'll take them five years to pass legislation, go through a process like we did, award licenses, and then build casinos closer to those residents. Until then we can have them paying their money into the PA state treasury. We'll gain a few hundred jobs in the process, and someone else will help us pay for them". If you really believe that Fast Eddie is lying through his teeth, and is exerting efforts to persuade the PGCB to throw this selection to Mason-Dixon, then I suggest you cease using the words "liar" and "hypocrite" out of future condemnation of the no's. Guess there's more than one flavor of Kool-Aid in the world. Enjoy yours. In the final analysis, however, the PGCB will have the last word on this matter, and that last word will be "Nemacolin". "youse guys"?
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Post by MattC on Sept 19, 2010 12:03:38 GMT -5
"Someone" was identified as Dan Siderio in both local papers. Look for another 'letter to the editor' by the Siderios soon in a newspaper near you. I heard that Dan made a point to make sure the papers had the transcript from his phone call. Some random caller who agrees with NCG that is
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Post by anonymous on Sept 19, 2010 12:08:53 GMT -5
In New Jersey, the plural of "you". Here's another New jersey phrase: You got a problem wit dat?
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Post by MattC on Sept 19, 2010 12:16:44 GMT -5
In New Jersey, the plural of "you". Here's another New jersey phrase: You got a problem wit dat? Oh i know what it is. I just couldn't believe that wasn't a typo
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Post by SpellChecker on Sept 19, 2010 16:14:42 GMT -5
Anonymous,
I just want to know why "youse" all thought he was a bastard and condemed him back in March when he made supportive comments about the casino but now he's god?
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Post by Venter on Sept 19, 2010 16:59:53 GMT -5
Hey, let's face it, we'd be giving kudos to the Gov if he had supported the Casino, or stayed neutral - but for him to say what he did??? Oh well Now, if SOMEONE had called and explained the ProCasino issues and asked for his support, things may have been different. I'm tired of having to apologize for wanting a Casino in our township Even the process of going through the PGCB seems to be an Act of Contrition. Who knows, maybe this is the Governor's Mea Culpa for bringing Casinos to PA. Maybe he feels that "saving Gettysburg" is a real issue, because he hasn't done his homework to find out differently. Let's face it, if you can agree with Dan Siderio, then you can't be thinkin' too smart anyway. What an ass!
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Sept 19, 2010 17:15:25 GMT -5
Speak for yourself. I don't put any stock in anything any politician ever says, especially our governor. I put him in the same category as an internet poll. It's for entertainment purposes and means nothing either way.
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Post by anonymous on Sept 19, 2010 19:07:48 GMT -5
Hey, let's face it, we'd be giving kudos to the Gov if he had supported the Casino, or stayed neutral - but for him to say what he did??? Oh well "giving kudos"? Youse would all be giving him head. Now that he is saying differently, of course, his comments are irrelevant, he's a lying politician, a lame duck, etc.
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Sept 19, 2010 19:36:01 GMT -5
Hey, let's face it, we'd be giving kudos to the Gov if he had supported the Casino, or stayed neutral - but for him to say what he did??? Oh well "giving kudos"? Youse would all be giving him head. Now that he is saying differently, of course, his comments are irrelevant, he's a lying politician, a lame duck, etc. Not me. He's 0 for 4 getting my vote (twice when I lived in Philly and he was mayor and twice for governor) and I've always thought he was a crappy mayor and governor. He's a very personable guy but I don't agree with him politically on pretty much anything. Just to clarify a couple of other things for you though. First %99 of politicians are liars in my book and always have been. I used to work for lobbyists so I know this for a fact. Second, he is irrelevant when it comes to the licensing of casinos. He has no vote. Third, the term lame duck applies to any politician nearing the end of their term. This is not an Ed Rendell or casino specific term. Hope that helps. Oh yeah, and just for good measure I went to the "archives". I never celebrated his comments back in March but you made the totally unfounded accusation that LeVan called in a marker to get the Gov to say what he did. When you were questioned on why the "marker" wasn't called in last time you said, and I quote: "Because Rendell was running for governor, and couldn't afford to come down on either side of this issue without political risk. Now that he's done, he can shoot his mouth off without having to live with the consequences of what he says." You were basically implying he could come out and support the casino now because he is a lame duck governor. And, I guess you were wrong about that "marker" after all. I've been consistent in my position. Have you? Are we finished now?
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Post by weekender on Sept 19, 2010 21:06:48 GMT -5
Matt's videos about Violet. I know they play well with you guys, but if he put half that effort to play to what you consider the positive reasons for a casino to be here, how many more supporters might you have going for you? SFP, since you brought up Matt's videos, did you ever manage to find the time to take a peak at that piece of crap that Violet tried to pass off as the truth? ? It has been said before, I will say it again, Matt's video's are humor, Violet's video is a calculated attempt to mislead anyone who watches. In a normal, professional environment Violet's lies and deceit would be condemned by senior leadership and membership once it is called to their attention. In the NCG environment she is praised OR in your case conveniently ignored... Whatever she gets she deserves, Matt mocks her for her lack of character, once you no longer have character, there is not much left... Violet put herself out there, maligning others (all for the good of her cause, not matter how their families are impacted, etc.) and when someone makes fun of her here is how she responds the quote below is from the Facebook page "Learn More: Privacy on Facebook". She can dish it out, but she cannot take it... It really is not surprising, but pretty pathetic, for someone who calls people names and makes serious personal attacks on others. THIS is someone YOU apparently support and want speaking for you. Wow...
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Post by SpellChecker on Sept 19, 2010 23:20:13 GMT -5
[Oh yeah, and just for good measure I went to the "archives". I never celebrated his comments back in March but you made the totally unfounded accusation that LeVan called in a marker to get the Gov to say what he did. When you were questioned on why the "marker" wasn't called in last time you said, and I quote: "Because Rendell was running for governor, and couldn't afford to come down on either side of this issue without political risk. Now that he's done, he can shoot his mouth off without having to live with the consequences of what he says." You were basically implying he could come out and support the casino now because he is a lame duck governor. And, I guess you were wrong about that "marker" after all. I've been consistent in my position. Have you? Are we finished now? This is basically what I have a problem with. I could care less what he said. It shouldnt have any impact but the fact they (NCG) said he was paid off by Levan and was a no good sob a few months ago and now he's their hero. Deep down I think what he told Dan was nothing more than lip service any way and thats why he made it clear his opinion meant nothing and he had no controll over what happened. Hell for all we know this could all be decided and he knew he could make that statement, keep the no crowd happy and off his back as I'm sure he recieved allot of letters and calls the last time around
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Post by MattC on Sept 20, 2010 9:27:07 GMT -5
Matt's videos about Violet. I know they play well with you guys, but if he put half that effort to play to what you consider the positive reasons for a casino to be here, how many more supporters might you have going for you? SFP, since you brought up Matt's videos, did you ever manage to find the time to take a peak at that piece of crap that Violet tried to pass off as the truth? ? It has been said before, I will say it again, Matt's video's are humor, Violet's video is a calculated attempt to mislead anyone who watches. In a normal, professional environment Violet's lies and deceit would be condemned by senior leadership and membership once it is called to their attention. In the NCG environment she is praised OR in your case conveniently ignored... Whatever she gets she deserves, Matt mocks her for her lack of character, once you no longer have character, there is not much left... Violet put herself out there, maligning others (all for the good of her cause, not matter how their families are impacted, etc.) and when someone makes fun of her here is how she responds the quote below is from the Facebook page "Learn More: Privacy on Facebook". She can dish it out, but she cannot take it... It really is not surprising, but pretty pathetic, for someone who calls people names and makes serious personal attacks on others. THIS is someone YOU apparently support and want speaking for you. Wow... She's such a dope... by the way, thank you for explaining myself better than I could, Weekender... but Violet is sch a dope. "Affecting my career"? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Her employers are so dumb that they think that's her on the videos? Or did I point out how she mislead people in her video and now they are scrutinizing her teaching methods? Violet, hon, if you're an educator and you're found to be mis-educating, do you really deserve a career in that field? And where was it Sal said that no one on his side says it's being built on the park? I'm just wondering because Vi's line saying "...as I make a stand against a casino being built at Gettysburg National Military Park" sounds kinda line it's going to be built within the park boundaries. Listen, Vi, none of these videos would have come about if two things didn't happen 1) you didn't lie in yours and 2) I wasn't banned from NCG's FB page. I want to debate you guys and call you out on some of your more ridiculous claims and assertions. I was doing that on FB. But then, one day, your page can't be found. So, you reap what you sow. Eat crow about your lying video and stifled debate on FB or stop complaining. But having 200 sheeple "report" me, you're only proving that it is your side that wants to trample the 1st amendment, no Mason Dixon, as Suzie Q claimed at the hearing.
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Post by weekender on Sept 20, 2010 10:36:25 GMT -5
Listen, Vi, none of these videos would have come about if two things didn't happen 1) you didn't lie in yours and 2) I wasn't banned from NCG's FB page. I want to debate you guys and call you out on some of your more ridiculous claims and assertions. I was doing that on FB. But then, one day, your page can't be found. So, you reap what you sow. Eat crow about your lying video and stifled debate on FB or stop complaining. But having 200 sheeple "report" me, you're only proving that it is your side that wants to trample the 1st amendment, no Mason Dixon, as Suzie Q claimed at the hearing. Well Matt, she must have a great appreciation for your video making talent, if she thinks that you are "affecting her career". I wonder if she contacted youtube too... Uh oh, I just gave her an idea! I sincerely doubt that she had 200 people "report" your video, since we know that there are only a very small number of people on their FB that actually pay attention and they CERTAINLY did not put a link to your video on any of their pages. More lies, on a grander scale, I guess she thought that she could get you banned from FB too! P.S. while they never managed to ban me from their FB page, every now and then it does not come up when I look for it but if I just google it, it comes right up. Not that you even want to see what is going on there, because all they are doing is posting news clips and the regular (irregular) suspects are the only participants... Kinda boring, actually!
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Post by anonymous on Sept 20, 2010 11:10:44 GMT -5
"giving kudos"? Youse would all be giving him head. Now that he is saying differently, of course, his comments are irrelevant, he's a lying politician, a lame duck, etc. Not me. He's 0 for 4 getting my vote (twice when I lived in Philly and he was mayor and twice for governor) and I've always thought he was a crappy mayor and governor. He's a very personable guy but I don't agree with him politically on pretty much anything. Just to clarify a couple of other things for you though. First %99 of politicians are liars in my book and always have been. I used to work for lobbyists so I know this for a fact. Second, he is irrelevant when it comes to the licensing of casinos. He has no vote. Third, the term lame duck applies to any politician nearing the end of their term. This is not an Ed Rendell or casino specific term. Hope that helps. Oh yeah, and just for good measure I went to the "archives". I never celebrated his comments back in March but you made the totally unfounded accusation that LeVan called in a marker to get the Gov to say what he did. When you were questioned on why the "marker" wasn't called in last time you said, and I quote: "Because Rendell was running for governor, and couldn't afford to come down on either side of this issue without political risk. Now that he's done, he can shoot his mouth off without having to live with the consequences of what he says." You were basically implying he could come out and support the casino now because he is a lame duck governor. And, I guess you were wrong about that "marker" after all. I've been consistent in my position. Have you? Are we finished now? Yeah, you're right about my "marker" inference. I went to the archives as well, and noted what I wrote at the time. I also posted the current articles without fanfare or statements of adoration made by others, other than the question of whether he is a "local" voice. The next question is: why? Why would he not support this endeavor? Could it be the unthinkable, that this is not, after all, the right place for such an establishment? Could it be that in his view the potential risk to the existing tourist businesses here outweighs the potential benefits of having a resort casino in this market? Oh, yeah, and if, as you suggested in an earlier post, Fast Eddie is continuing to exert "behind the scenes" efforts to influence the PGCB to award the license here, despite his public statements, would he not be paying off a marker? Or dya think that this time, perhaps the only time, that he means what he says? Guess we'll know soon.
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Post by MattC on Sept 20, 2010 11:15:56 GMT -5
Not me. He's 0 for 4 getting my vote (twice when I lived in Philly and he was mayor and twice for governor) and I've always thought he was a crappy mayor and governor. He's a very personable guy but I don't agree with him politically on pretty much anything. Just to clarify a couple of other things for you though. First %99 of politicians are liars in my book and always have been. I used to work for lobbyists so I know this for a fact. Second, he is irrelevant when it comes to the licensing of casinos. He has no vote. Third, the term lame duck applies to any politician nearing the end of their term. This is not an Ed Rendell or casino specific term. Hope that helps. Oh yeah, and just for good measure I went to the "archives". I never celebrated his comments back in March but you made the totally unfounded accusation that LeVan called in a marker to get the Gov to say what he did. When you were questioned on why the "marker" wasn't called in last time you said, and I quote: "Because Rendell was running for governor, and couldn't afford to come down on either side of this issue without political risk. Now that he's done, he can shoot his mouth off without having to live with the consequences of what he says." You were basically implying he could come out and support the casino now because he is a lame duck governor. And, I guess you were wrong about that "marker" after all. I've been consistent in my position. Have you? Are we finished now? Yeah, you're right about my "marker" inference. I went to the archives as well, and noted what I wrote at the time. I also posted the current articles without fanfare or statements of adoration made by others, other than the question of whether he is a "local" voice. The next question is: why? Why would he not support this endeavor? Could it be the unthinkable, that this is not, after all, the right place for such an establishment? Could it be that in his view the potential risk to the existing tourist businesses here outweighs the potential benefits of having a resort casino in this market? Oh, yeah, and if, as you suggested in an earlier post, Fast Eddie is continuing to exert "behind the scenes" efforts to influence the PGCB to award the license here, despite his public statements, would he not be paying off a marker? Or dya think that this time, perhaps the only time, that he means what he says? Guess we'll know soon. I've long wanted someone on the No side to explain this to me and, perhaps, you, anonymous, can explain to me how a new business can hurt an ALREADY DEAD TOURIST INDUSTRY
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Post by SpellChecker on Sept 20, 2010 11:47:38 GMT -5
Listen, Vi, none of these videos would have come about if two things didn't happen 1) you didn't lie in yours and 2) I wasn't banned from NCG's FB page. I want to debate you guys and call you out on some of your more ridiculous claims and assertions. I was doing that on FB. But then, one day, your page can't be found. So, you reap what you sow. Eat crow about your lying video and stifled debate on FB or stop complaining. But having 200 sheeple "report" me, you're only proving that it is your side that wants to trample the 1st amendment, no Mason Dixon, as Suzie Q claimed at the hearing. Well Matt, she must have a great appreciation for your video making talent, if she thinks that you are "affecting her career". I wonder if she contacted youtube too... Uh oh, I just gave her an idea! I sincerely doubt that she had 200 people "report" your video, since we know that there are only a very small number of people on their FB that actually pay attention and they CERTAINLY did not put a link to your video on any of their pages. More lies, on a grander scale, I guess she thought that she could get you banned from FB too! P.S. while they never managed to ban me from their FB page, every now and then it does not come up when I look for it but if I just google it, it comes right up. Not that you even want to see what is going on there, because all they are doing is posting news clips and the regular (irregular) suspects are the only participants... Kinda boring, actually! She probably threatend all of her students if they didnt do it she would fail them.
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Post by MattC on Sept 20, 2010 12:18:44 GMT -5
Well Matt, she must have a great appreciation for your video making talent, if she thinks that you are "affecting her career". I wonder if she contacted youtube too... Uh oh, I just gave her an idea! I sincerely doubt that she had 200 people "report" your video, since we know that there are only a very small number of people on their FB that actually pay attention and they CERTAINLY did not put a link to your video on any of their pages. More lies, on a grander scale, I guess she thought that she could get you banned from FB too! P.S. while they never managed to ban me from their FB page, every now and then it does not come up when I look for it but if I just google it, it comes right up. Not that you even want to see what is going on there, because all they are doing is posting news clips and the regular (irregular) suspects are the only participants... Kinda boring, actually! She probably threatend all of her students if they didnt do it she would fail them. Oh maybe she's talking about the video where we recall the story of how her students were ticked off by her for one reason or another that she came to her office one day with brooms lined up outside the door as if to imply she's a witch. I got that piece of info from one of her former students-turned-defender. I think in his fragile little mind he actually thought that telling that story was going to help th Vi-as-Victim charade. All it did was prove that we're not the only people that she pisses off. Does anyone recall the name of the NCGer who gave us that story? I want to say Richard something but I don't recall.
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