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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Aug 7, 2011 14:22:21 GMT -5
These are the ideas of children. I wonder in her plan if these living historians are walking the battlefield for free? For this to work you'd need about 500-1000 people out there everyday minimum. In the interest of saving some money let's say it's only 500 people and they only work the park April through September, Tuesday through Saturday, for about 6 hours a day. Having 500 people out on the battlefield 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 6 months of the year would cost $2,827,500 at minimum wage. Where exactly is that money coming from?
What a bunch of morons.
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Post by nilegrazowski on Aug 7, 2011 14:33:48 GMT -5
These are the ideas of children. I wonder in her plan if these living historians are walking the battlefield for free? For this to work you'd need about 500-1000 people out there everyday minimum. In the interest of saving some money let's say it's only 500 people and they only work the park April through September, Tuesday through Saturday, for about 6 hours a day. Having 500 people out on the battlefield 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 6 months of the year would cost $2,827,500 at minimum wage. Where exactly is that money coming from? What a bunch of morons. Business and common sense is not these peoples strong suit. Let's figure she means volunteers. Well then, why bother to write politicians and why don't the reenactors just do it out of the kindness of their hearts? Sadly, she had to mean paid jobs given the target of her letters. Yeah, great use of taxpayers $. She should be the next president. |
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Post by weekender on Aug 7, 2011 14:43:18 GMT -5
Don't they really do that aready, vounteers I mean? I was riding my bike on Confederate this morning and as usual there was a regement (sp?) from NC out there (by Longstreet, where they always are!) putting on a presentation before a reasonably large crowd. They we talking about what it was like camping in the rain last night etc... I spend a decent amount of time out there and there are always folks "living" out there on the weekends... Maybe Dani loves the battlefields but just never gets out there. They are always over by the PA monument as well, and other places too just not as regularly.
Maybe she should donate the funds to finance her brilliant idea... Since what the volunteers do is not sufficient...
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Post by redlock on Aug 7, 2011 16:55:06 GMT -5
Actually, it is against Park Policy for a regular reenactor to be on the field in uniform and to talk to ANYBODY. You can be fined for this. The reenactors you see on the field giving the presentations are there because they have paid for a permit to do so.
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Post by nilegrazowski on Aug 7, 2011 17:52:11 GMT -5
Actually, it is against Park Policy for a regular reenactor to be on the field in uniform and to talk to ANYBODY. You can be fined for this. The reenactors you see on the field giving the presentations are there because they have paid for a permit to do so. So they need to get more people to volunteer AND pay a fee to do so OR put them on the payroll. Awesome idea. |
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Post by weekender on Aug 7, 2011 20:43:15 GMT -5
Actually, it is against Park Policy for a regular reenactor to be on the field in uniform and to talk to ANYBODY. You can be fined for this. The reenactors you see on the field giving the presentations are there because they have paid for a permit to do so. That may be the case, but it is not unreasonable for the NPS to require permits for those living history folks who want to shoot their guns/cannons, bring their horses and pitch their tents. If they did not require something it would be out of control. The permit system is likely the only way that they can ensure that legitimate groups who know what they are doing are going out there and talking to the other visitors... It is clear that the reenactors and the NPS have a either written or unwritten partnership and they work well together... In fact today the NPS ranger was providing a glowing intro to the NC group (their professionalism, authenticity, etc), I guess they paid him to do that... I might be willing to pay someone to speak so highly of me!  I do not know who you are or how long you have been paying attention but if you have been around for any amount of time you will recall the "living history' kid who shot either himself or someone else in the foot within the last couple of years, at the living history display at the musuem in town. Through a permit system the NPS is able to provide one more assurance that something like that will not happen IN the park... I am not one for loads of control, but given the equipment that they are operating and the public venue, they MUST be professionals! |
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Post by getysbg on Aug 7, 2011 20:59:32 GMT -5
Actually, it is against Park Policy for a regular reenactor to be on the field in uniform and to talk to ANYBODY. You can be fined for this. The reenactors you see on the field giving the presentations are there because they have paid for a permit to do so. That may be the case, but it is not unreasonable for the NPS to require permits for those living history folks who want to shoot their guns/cannons, bring their horses and pitch their tents. If they did not require something it would be out of control. The permit system is likely the only way that they can ensure that legitimate groups who know what they are doing are going out there and talking to the other visitors... It is clear that the reenactors and the NPS have a either written or unwritten partnership and they work well together... In fact today the NPS ranger was providing a glowing intro to the NC group (their professionalism, authenticity, etc), I guess they paid him to do that... I might be willing to pay someone to speak so highly of me! I do not know who you are or how long you have been paying attention but if you have been around for any amount of time you will recall the "living history' kid who shot either himself or someone else in the foot within the last couple of years, at the living history display at the musuem in town. Through a permit system the NPS is able to provide one more assurance that something like that will not happen IN the park... I am not one for loads of control, but given the equipment that they are operating and the public venue, they MUST be professionals! The group I belong to, The Mifflin Guard, has been invited to do a presentation at the Pa. Monument on July 4th w/e for the past ten years. Each year rests on the performance the previous year and for us, it's an honor to camp, march, drill and fire our muskets on the original field. Interaction with the public is encouraged. For many of us our motto is: Honor those who went before Educate the public Have Fun If you're not doing all three, then you're doing it wrong |
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Post by weekender on Aug 7, 2011 21:14:23 GMT -5
The group I belong to, The Mifflin Guard, has been invited to do a presentation at the Pa. Monument on July 4th w/e for the past ten years. Each year rests on the performance the previous year and for us, it's an honor to camp, march, drill and fire our muskets on the original field. Interaction with the public is encouraged. For many of us our motto is: Honor those who went before Educate the public Have Fun If you're not doing all three, then you're doing it wrong That is exactly how I thought it works (invites, etc). Thanks for continuing to do what you do, everyone benefits!!! For me, watching you guys puts it all in perspective and I actually remember what is said and what I see (not so easy anymore...  ) Today, watching those guys in their "butternut" uniforms (is that correct?) with their equipment and bedrolls, with the heat and humidity brought the message home for me and more importantly all the parents and kids there, just what those guys went through for what they believed in... The passion is so obvious and it does a great service in educating the other visitors... I suspect that, in an effort to keep it professional (safe), most of those members of the groups would not be opposed to some small fee... |
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Post by nilegrazowski on Aug 8, 2011 6:16:18 GMT -5
The volunteer aspect is very interesting and I have LOADS of respect for those that do it. I am more of an observer in that regard but I respect those that take it seriously. Do you think more groups would do more things if there were organized events even if they had to PAY to participate in them through a liscence? I would assume that has been explored by the NPS but one never knows.
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Post by dspitz17325 on Aug 8, 2011 8:42:54 GMT -5
Well i must lay down here we go again another Moron who pays no taxes in this County telling everybody her ideas on how the NPS should do things , she seems to forget that our Government doesn't do crap for free , it always costs someone. Although i do like her idea it is dumb to assume the NPS will allow it they all hate the tourist or they would give tours for free themselves after all it would be perfect they should know more than anybody on the subject right .FREE i have no doubt that Dani and her ilk must forget all the certified Battlefield Guides they eat,sleep and breathe Gettysburg and they try to make a living on giving tours , so she wants more people to loose jobs from her ideas again she never looks at the big picture and this is why she will always be a Moron no matter how good the idea sounds .And yes people i will say it again Dani did have a good idea but as usually to late ,if she could have come up with this idea before the whole Certified battlefield guides it would have been an amazing idea but i think nobody knows more than those guides i know a few of them and they are amazing with their knowledge of the battle .
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Post by lifesaver on Aug 8, 2011 16:59:09 GMT -5
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Post by Fire Marshal Bill on Aug 8, 2011 17:50:58 GMT -5
The interesting thing about the post was that two people attacked the decision by the police, and I don't recall either of them on any of the casino topics, at least not by those names. I wonder why "Been Here a While" and "What" never post here? |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Aug 8, 2011 20:17:34 GMT -5
"been here awhile" and "what" are guests here AKA trolls and lurkers. There's not a chance that those two would join boroVENT because they are far too easy to "smell" and we'd recognize their posts.
Those morons will never get over the casino. It's not an issue here but "bha" has many shortcomings - mostly above her neck.
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Post by lifesaver on Aug 9, 2011 8:15:16 GMT -5
The volunteer aspect is very interesting and I have LOADS of respect for those that do it. I am more of an observer in that regard but I respect those that take it seriously. Do you think more groups would do more things if there were organized events even if they had to PAY to participate in them through a liscence? I would assume that has been explored by the NPS but one never knows. When my son was in Gettysburg Middle School he spent the night in the old visitors center with his class learning about the life of a civil war soldier. If I recall correctly, they were even given the name of an actual soldier and learned the personal story of this individual. Everyone came home with a haversack as a memento of the occasion. And for the older GHS grads, who could forget the living history of Colonel Sheads.? I don't know for sure but I would hope that these kind of living history lessons still happen within the school district. |
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Post by dspitz17325 on Aug 9, 2011 8:34:04 GMT -5
"been here awhile" and "what" are guests here AKA trolls and lurkers. There's not a chance that those two would join boroVENT because they are far too easy to "smell" and we'd recognize their posts. Those morons will never get over the casino. It's not an issue here but "bha" has many shortcomings - mostly above her neck. Now FT you need to remember that a good many of the NCG people are from the south and they are still pissed off that they weren't allowed to enslave their fellow Countrymen anymore racist bastards . |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Aug 9, 2011 8:41:10 GMT -5
"been here awhile" and "what" are guests here AKA trolls and lurkers. There's not a chance that those two would join boroVENT because they are far too easy to "smell" and we'd recognize their posts. Those morons will never get over the casino. It's not an issue here but "bha" has many shortcomings - mostly above her neck. Now FT you need to remember that a good many of the NCG people are from the south and they are still pissed off that they weren't allowed to enslave their fellow Countrymen anymore racist bastards . Yes, Spitz, but it's not my fault that they were born on the wrong side of the Mason Dixon line. It's also not my fault that they are pathetic trolls and lurkers who seemingly have no lives beyond boroVENT. |
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Post by MattC on Aug 9, 2011 10:49:32 GMT -5
These are the ideas of children. I wonder in her plan if these living historians are walking the battlefield for free? For this to work you'd need about 500-1000 people out there everyday minimum. In the interest of saving some money let's say it's only 500 people and they only work the park April through September, Tuesday through Saturday, for about 6 hours a day. Having 500 people out on the battlefield 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, for 6 months of the year would cost $2,827,500 at minimum wage. Where exactly is that money coming from? What a bunch of morons. great way to put it. the ideas of children. it's fanciful. I mean the logistics of that are not doable... at least with the government. Private, enterprise, however, could take that idea and make it work. Like my plan. Multi-millionaires drop me a line. |
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Post by Bird Brain on Aug 9, 2011 21:58:10 GMT -5
It's very hard to take that so-called "group" seriously.
What do they have now, like, fifty friends on Facebook?
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Post by lucy on Aug 9, 2011 21:59:37 GMT -5
LS, My son did that too at the old visitors center. I was thinking we had to pay extra for that experience....it was 14 years ago.....lol.........so what do I remember......any way he loved it.......I'll just bet the school district doesn't offer that anymore...
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Aug 11, 2011 6:28:20 GMT -5
Does anyone know anything about the non-profit Save Gettysburg - NCG? They have a Facebook page but they only have 63 followers and hardly anything on their page has to do with Gettysburg. They have articles about kids in cars at casinos in Philly, an article from Salon (makes me want to vomit) about how bad gambling is, etc etc.
Is this a real group? What is their agenda? Are they soliciting contributions to their non profit? If so where is that money going? What exactly are they "saving" in Gettysburg or what do they plan to "save"?
I think a great first step towards saving Gettysburg would be for all of them to donate their property to the NPS.
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Post by Fire Marshal Bill on Aug 11, 2011 6:41:01 GMT -5
Does anyone know anything about the non-profit Save Gettysburg - NCG? They have a Facebook page but they only have 63 followers and hardly anything on their page has to do with Gettysburg. They have articles about kids in cars at casinos in Philly, an article from Salon (makes me want to vomit) about how bad gambling is, etc etc. Is this a real group? What is their agenda? Are they soliciting contributions to their non profit? If so where is that money going? What exactly are they "saving" in Gettysburg or what do they plan to "save"? I think a great first step towards saving Gettysburg would be for all of them to donate their property to the NPS. Rainier, the Save Gettysburg NCG, is as I understand it just NCG with another site. As I understand for some reason the old NCG facebook was going to be shut down and this is just a new page for the same organization. As you will notice the same person/people posting and most of the articles are just duplicated one site to the other. |
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Post by Fire Marshal Bill on Aug 11, 2011 6:56:26 GMT -5
I do have to say the basic idea that was presented is something I have been interested in for years. I would like to see a small area someplace that would have a living history at least from April to the beginning of October if not longer.
I see somewhere that is a combination of Williamsburg, Sturbridge Village, and Mystic Seaport.
I would see a small town, maybe a dozen buildings constructed with the architectural appearance of buildings that would have been here at the time of the civil war. I also envision a small farm with the farm house and a few appropriate out buildings, as well as both a Union and Confederate encampment, or maybe two, one “winter quarters†and one as they would have when in the field on the move.
I would see visitors moving through the area freely, and at times observing demonstrations of both camp life, military activities, and civilian living. They would listen to actors or re-enactors telling them about life in general for them at that time, and about how the Civil War, and the Battle of Gettysburg affected their lives.
Unfortunately it takes money for something like this, and as nice as it sounds to me, I know it would not be a big money maker for anyone, so still a dream in my mind.
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Aug 11, 2011 6:56:55 GMT -5
Rainier, the Save Gettysburg NCG, is as I understand it just NCG with another site. As I understand for some reason the old NCG facebook was going to be shut down and this is just a new page for the same organization. As you will notice the same person/people posting and most of the articles are just duplicated one site to the other. I get that. Same graphics, same address etc. I'm just curious as to what their mission is? What are they "saving"? Are they doing anything in the community? Are they even in the community? |
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Aug 11, 2011 7:00:25 GMT -5
Can't do camp life Bill. Remember, there was gambling in those camps. With the crew we have in this town we'd end up with some sanitized hokey overly romanticized revisionist bullshit.
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Post by lifesaver on Aug 11, 2011 7:58:33 GMT -5
I do have to say the basic idea that was presented is something I have been interested in for years. I would like to see a small area someplace that would have a living history at least from April to the beginning of October if not longer. I see somewhere that is a combination of Williamsburg, Sturbridge Village, and Mystic Seaport. I would see a small town, maybe a dozen buildings constructed with the architectural appearance of buildings that would have been here at the time of the civil war. I also envision a small farm with the farm house and a few appropriate out buildings, as well as both a Union and Confederate encampment, or maybe two, one “winter quarters†and one as they would have when in the field on the move. I would see visitors moving through the area freely, and at times observing demonstrations of both camp life, military activities, and civilian living. They would listen to actors or re-enactors telling them about life in general for them at that time, and about how the Civil War, and the Battle of Gettysburg affected their lives. Unfortunately it takes money for something like this, and as nice as it sounds to me, I know it would not be a big money maker for anyone, so still a dream in my mind. You mean something like this, FMB? I accompanied my son on a field trip here when he was in elementary school. I found it very interesting, probably a lot more so than my son. There are places scattered throughout the county that tell these stories, if you know where to find them. I think your dream is great Bill, but until someone has the financial means to fulfill that dream I think the next best thing is to promote the things that are already here. Adams County is much more than the battle of Gettysburg. |
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