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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Aug 16, 2011 19:17:45 GMT -5
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Post by orrtannaoracle on Aug 16, 2011 21:37:08 GMT -5
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Aug 16, 2011 21:44:37 GMT -5
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Jayhawk
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Post by Jayhawk on Aug 17, 2011 12:37:50 GMT -5
Been awhile since I posted, so here is my penny for my thoughts, I would say my 2 cents, but I'm broke. As you may or may not know I currently reside in Iowa. As much as I love politics, I hate the upcoming caucus season. From about September until next February, we will have nothing but wall to wall political advertisement on TV and radio, robo calls, pamphlets plastered on our doors, and and every butt kissing baby smoocher trying to glad hand us and fooling us into thinking we are important. Not to mention the idiot press reporters wandering aimlessly with their "DC to Iowan" translation books. It's not even safe to go to the state fair and gaze at the wonder that is the butter cow without some guy trying to dress like he belongs is trying to shake your hand while juggling a corn dog, deep fried cheese curds, and a funnel cake. Ok, enough venting. This political season, the Republicans have a smorgasbord of really good choices, almost too many. As of now I am torn between Perry, Bachman, Cain and Santorum. Or as I like to call it, any one but Romney. When push comes to shove, it comes down to Perry or Bachman in my mind, because, in my mind,they have the better chance come next November.
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dspitz17325
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I came to chew bubblegum and kick some ass and i am all out of bubblegum .
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Post by dspitz17325 on Aug 17, 2011 20:16:23 GMT -5
I think it's time to stop voting religious nuts in office, thats why we have a loon in the white house now .I love Perry but he is a religious nut OH GOD bless Texas .
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Post by orrtannaoracle on Aug 17, 2011 21:34:25 GMT -5
I think it's time to stop voting religious nuts in office, thats why we have a loon in the white house now .I love Perry but he is a religious nut OH GOD bless Texas . +2! Didn't Shrub claim he was listening to God's counsel when he decided to invade Iraq. I hate to say it but I find the religious fanatics scary and a scourge on mankind.
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Aug 18, 2011 7:12:08 GMT -5
Wow, thought I'd get more replies to this one. Anyone who has been posting here since the last election knows I'm a Ron Paul guy. I find it sad that the media and Republican Party make pretend like he doesn't exist. I think this clip about sums it up for me www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecision-2012---corn-polled-edition---ron-paul---the-top-tierMy only problem with what he says is that they've been ignoring him for years, not weeks. During the last Republican primaries, and in fact long before, he predicted the meltdown. That should immediately make him the most credible candidate on economic and fiscal matters.
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Post by lifesaver on Aug 18, 2011 8:09:43 GMT -5
Wow, thought I'd get more replies to this one. Anyone who has been posting here since the last election knows I'm a Ron Paul guy. I find it sad that the media and Republican Party make pretend like he doesn't exist. I think this clip about sums it up for me www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecision-2012---corn-polled-edition---ron-paul---the-top-tierMy only problem with what he says is that they've been ignoring him for years, not weeks. During the last Republican primaries, and in fact long before, he predicted the meltdown. That should immediately make him the most credible candidate on economic and fiscal matters. Rainier, in all honesty the jury is still out for me. I tend to stay out of political arguments and discussions and keep my thoughts to myself until I enter that voting booth. I will tell you one thing though, our current president is not on my list, never was, and never will be, and Ron Paul is one of those under consideration.
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Post by deuce on Aug 18, 2011 8:28:42 GMT -5
I can't recall any candidate from any party ever give any more sensible opinions when answering questions on the issues important to the country than Paul.
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Post by Mr Blonde on Aug 18, 2011 8:40:23 GMT -5
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Post by HoneyBadger on Aug 18, 2011 15:30:04 GMT -5
I'm a registered Democrat but I don't always vote that way. This time around I may have to sit out the voting process.
I won't vote for a pro-life anti-gay candidate and I don't trust evangelicals any further than I could toss one of them.
I could always write in Wile E. Coyote and Ralph the Wolf (nemesis of Sam the Sheepdog).
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Post by orrtannaoracle on Aug 18, 2011 17:44:37 GMT -5
FT=+1 on her politics. I could have written her comments.
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Post by HoneyBadger on Aug 18, 2011 19:43:18 GMT -5
FT=+1 on her politics. I could have written her comments. Thank you, sir. I don't like either side and I have a feeling that I won't like anyone in November 2012. Ron Paul was at the top until I listened to the pro-life speech. No matter how good he might be - he lost me. Perry and the whole evangelical thing - no way. Bachmann speaking in Iowa didn't look at the crowd during the entire time I watched her - she was focused on something above them. God holding her TelePrompTer??? Santorum - he dragged his dead baby to Pittsburgh for family members to see and hold. Normal people don't do that. At this point I'd vote for the butter cow.
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Post by Mr Blonde on Aug 18, 2011 22:33:26 GMT -5
Thank you, sir. I don't like either side and I have a feeling that I won't like anyone in November 2012. Ron Paul was at the top until I listened to the pro-life speech. No matter how good he might be - he lost me. Perry and the whole evangelical thing - no way. Bachmann speaking in Iowa didn't look at the crowd during the entire time I watched her - she was focused on something above them. God holding her TelePrompTer??? Santorum - he dragged his dead baby to Pittsburgh for family members to see and hold. Normal people don't do that. At this point I'd vote for the butter cow. Paul believes abortion is a state choice and something the Fed should not be involved in. I have absolutely no problem with his stance on abortion because it is so inconsequential compared to his stance on issues that actually matter.
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Aug 19, 2011 5:49:31 GMT -5
Paul believes abortion is a state choice and something the Fed should not be involved in. I have absolutely no problem with his stance on abortion because it is so inconsequential compared to his stance on issues that actually matter. That about sums it up for me. The man has absolutely no desire to use the federal government to impose and enforce his personal morality.
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HoneyBadger
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Post by HoneyBadger on Aug 19, 2011 6:57:55 GMT -5
Paul is the only contender I see on the Republican side but in matters that concern me I have reservations. His speech did not provide the assurance to me that he supports state involvement only. He is pro-life and I - as an individual - have issues with his catering to the pro-life crowd.
The Feds should never have been involved in the abortion issue but in the early 1980's they mucked it up and it's been a mess ever since.
What is a major issue to one person may be insignificant to another person. Agreement isn't necessary because the majority will make the decision; not one vote.
I respect your opinions Rainier and Mr. Blonde. If you can't respect mine that's fine. It won't have any effect on my ability to sleep at night.
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Aug 19, 2011 7:21:05 GMT -5
Paul is the only contender I see on the Republican side but in matters that concern me I have reservations. His speech did not provide the assurance to me that he supports state involvement only. He is pro-life and I - as an individual - have issues with his catering to the pro-life crowd. The Feds should never have been involved in the abortion issue but in the early 1980's they mucked it up and it's been a mess ever since. What is a major issue to one person may be insignificant to another person. Agreement isn't necessary because the majority will make the decision; not one vote. I respect your opinions Rainier and Mr. Blonde. If you can't respect mine that's fine. It won't have any effect on my ability to sleep at night. Your statement that the Feds should have never gotten involved in abortion is basically identical to Dr Paul's view. I've read all of his books and I can assure you this man doesn't pay lip service to anything. If he says it, you can rest assured you're getting his honest opinion and the truth. I have no problem with any stance on abortion either way. I'm just trying to correct you on Dr Paul. He can be pro life without feeling the need to use the government to impose his morals on everyone. Your opinion on abortion as not a government issue is identical to that of Dr. Paul. You guys are just personally on different ends of the spectrum. I don't think there's a pro life stance that's more respectful to those who are pro choice than that.
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Post by lifesaver on Aug 19, 2011 9:36:13 GMT -5
I have no problem with Paul's Pro-Life stance either. I don't feel that anyone, including our government, has any business inserting themselves into what I feel is a very personal decision, and one that I think, with the exception of only a few, is not done without a lot of soul searching to make the choice that is right for them.
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Post by HoneyBadger on Aug 19, 2011 9:44:14 GMT -5
I listened to his entire 14:32 speech twice. I did not hear at any point that Mr. Paul believes abortion rights should be decided by the states. I heard "promote the cause of pro-life" and "the government should not take money from people who are pro-life and pay for abortion" and "reverse funding for abortion" and "life precedes liberty" etc. Based on his comments I believe that his intention would be to stop abortion rights.
If all life is precious then surely the lives of the already born are precious too. Where is the protection for them? The already born have a "strong right to life" too.
Perhaps I don't particularly appreciate tax money in the hundreds of thousands of dollars being spent to save a premature baby with multiple birth defects, brain damage and the resulting mental retardation. Perhaps I'd rather see all of that money spent to ensure the continued care and health of the already born.
I agree with Mr. Paul on most of the issues he discussed. When I hear Mr. Paul proclaim that if elected president he will allow states to determine abortion rights perhaps I can support him. When I hear him say that he does not intend to impose his personal beliefs on the women of the country perhaps I can support him.
I believe that a president should be like the Supreme Court and not impose personal beliefs on the public. Sadly, the justices on the Supreme Court can't seem to get that right so why would any president?
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Post by lifesaver on Aug 19, 2011 10:22:04 GMT -5
If all life is precious then surely the lives of the already born are precious too. Where is the protection for them? The already born have a "strong right to life" too. I agree 100% FT. In a perfect world all life would be precious. But if the choice is not to be born at all vs being born into a life of abuse, poverty and neglect which would be better? If the choice is not to be born at all but born into a life of hospitals and institutionalized care and a questionable sense of awareness to your surroundings which would be better?
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Post by HoneyBadger on Aug 19, 2011 11:42:19 GMT -5
If all life is precious then surely the lives of the already born are precious too. Where is the protection for them? The already born have a "strong right to life" too. I agree 100% FT. In a perfect world all life would be precious. But if the choice is not to be born at all vs being born into a life of abuse, poverty and neglect which would be better? If the choice is not to be born at all but born into a life of hospitals and institutionalized care and a questionable sense of awareness to your surroundings which would be better? My response is simple - not to be born at all. In order to end this debate I'm leaving. I've had enough of this nonsense and I don't need it or BoroVENT.
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Post by Rainier Wolfcastle on Aug 19, 2011 13:38:36 GMT -5
Can anyone explain to me what just happened here?
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Post by lifesaver on Aug 19, 2011 19:10:21 GMT -5
Can anyone explain to me what just happened here? Don't know, but if you figure it out let me know too.
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Post by redlock on Aug 19, 2011 21:52:33 GMT -5
what the hell? FT, I hope you decide to come back.
Fwiw, you should view several speeches from Ron, not just one before you make up your mind about him. A few years ago, I watched him state that abortion rights should be a states issue and he had no intention of imposing her personal beliefs in that regard.
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Post by HoneyBadger on Aug 22, 2011 7:42:25 GMT -5
what the hell? FT, I hope you decide to come back. Fwiw, you should view several speeches from Ron, not just one before you make up your mind about him. A few years ago, I watched him state that abortion rights should be a states issue and he had no intention of imposing her personal beliefs in that regard. redlock - I have a history of screwing things up. I was frustrated and out of sorts about something which had nothing to do with BV so I punished myself by wiping out my identity. Not one of the smarter things I've ever done but there it is. It took over 4 years to be FT and I've erased her. Thomas Wolfe said "you can't go home again" and I've burned my bridges. Thanks for the kind words about returning. I have watched a few speeches and read more about Ron Paul. Compared to the lunatic Perry Mr. Paul looks like gold to me. I've never minded admitting when I'm wrong. I was wrong to delete, I was wrong about Ron Paul and I was wrong to take out my frustrations on BV. What's done is done. FT is dead. Bury her and move one. See, lifesaver, I have no pride. By the way, my brother registered me. I was too dumb to do that correctly.
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