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Post by redlock on Nov 12, 2012 20:29:06 GMT -5
Unlikely. Age will be a factor and of course the Republican establishment hates him for his 'disloyalty' as he really isn't a Republican and he did not endorse other Republican presidential candidates in the past. Another note is he's just a Representative. It seems that "isn't enough experience" to become President. Governor or Senator (even half a term) is the ticket. You seem to be confusing Ron Paul and his son, Rand. Ron is the Congressman from Texas, Rand is his even loopier son (imo) who is a US Senator from Kentucky. Ron is a Gettysburg College grad BTW. He's got some good ideas but a boatload of strange ones as well. The simple fact that Rand chooses to use "Rand" as his first name tells me a lot. The Catholic member from WI who ran as R-money's veep is from the same camp as Rand. The Taliban-Catholic reference I posted earlier was obviously meant to refer to Santorum. You are correct. At 2 in the morning, Rand looked like Ron.
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Post by C.O. on Nov 16, 2012 20:18:08 GMT -5
Man, I can't believe I missed all thre pre-election debate! Oh well, looks like my favorite debatee Matt was MIA as well. Any way... First off - Congratulations to President Obama and the Democrats. This result was certainly not my preference, however, we must abide by the election results and come together for the good of the nation. Something to think about though - Look at the Blue and Red areas of the election map for PA. An astounding 12 counties out of 67 are Blue, while the balance is red. That means 55 PA counties voting preference for this election (Including ADAMS) were negated by the highly-populated Obama demographic counties in eastern PA, Dauphin county in central PA, plus Allegheny and Erie counties in western PA. I think it is time PA considers splitting our state's electorial votes by Congressional Districts (much like Nebraska and Maine currently do). It hardly seems fair that we Red voters, in the 55 PA counties which voted Republican, have no say in this election. Just a thought! Just wanted to ask how much sense THIS would make...to have the rural counties (which make up 20% of the state's population) have the same or more of a vote than the suburban and urban areas (which make up 80%). Isn't this similar to how they gave blacks a fraction of the vote that whites got back in the day. Oh and aint it funny that urban areas are where most of the minorities live? Yes, I did just make it about race. And I ain't even black!
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Post by johnnyd on Nov 17, 2012 9:12:20 GMT -5
C.O.
First of all, you need to check your facts. Fact is, the population count in counties where a majority of voters chose President Obama represents 42% of PA's 12,742,886 residents (Source - 2011 US Census).
Further, you reference black/minority voter suppression "back in the day" where those voters had negligible representation. I counter your argument by agreeing with it's premise, but stating that the voters in 55 (the majority) of 67 PA counties have no representation in this election - just like it was "back in the day" for minority voters. Subsequently, I suggest that PA look at splitting the Electorial College vote by Congressional districts to ensure fair representation (just as Maine and Nebraska currently do).
Finally, this is not a "race" thing. Rather, when a major demographic can control the outcome of elections because of the "free stuff promise", while the rest of us have to pay for it - That's a BIG problem. That is why the 55 counties, who do not agree with and have to pay for "the free stuff", should have some representation.
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Post by Venter on Nov 17, 2012 11:21:31 GMT -5
I'm not going to try to figure out the Electoral College (I Googled it and my brain glazed over). Basically, I think it related to the Senators and Representatives from each State, and therefore if I have it right, there would be an "Elector" for each Senator and an "Elector" for each Representative - a total of 538. 100 Senate 435 Representatives 3 for District of Columbia ( ) BUT, don't take MY word for it - I studied it for all of 3 minutes ;D So, technically as we vote for our Congressmen, we are also selecting our Electors? Although the rest is a bit fuzzy to me, I think this is how it works: They go to some college, half of them drop out, some of them take incompletes, and the rest spend four years getting stoned. One of you may be able to read along further than I did. I just read the Spark Notes. Okay, so I didn't even read THEM! Do your own homework slacker! You want everything given to you, don't you? Is Electoral College a step below Community College and Strayer?
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Post by redlock on Nov 17, 2012 22:12:49 GMT -5
Probably at the University of Phoenix online level.....
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Post by diogenes on Nov 18, 2012 17:24:04 GMT -5
Venter--I take exception to your caustic inference about community colleges. As we all learn in different ways and at different speeds community colleges provide a second approach to higher education--have taught at both (hold a MS from the Big 10 and a PhD from UMD--dissertation was on community collleges and their leadership). Had one son go thru the cc route to his education degree (now teaching 8th grade in Chicago area) while two others went thru state universities...one with a BA and one with a PhD. Going thru all four experiences it was quite apparent that some do poorly where the required courses are taught in groups of 1 instr per 800 seats in an auditorium by TA's with no command of the English language but flourish in the one-to-a5 instr-to-student ratio in cc's. Don't knock a proven way of increasing knowledge.
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Post by lifesaver on Nov 18, 2012 20:27:42 GMT -5
Venter--I take exception to your caustic inference about community colleges. As we all learn in different ways and at different speeds community colleges provide a second approach to higher education--have taught at both (hold a MS from the Big 10 and a PhD from UMD--dissertation was on community collleges and their leadership). Had one son go thru the cc route to his education degree (now teaching 8th grade in Chicago area) while two others went thru state universities...one with a BA and one with a PhD. Going thru all four experiences it was quite apparent that some do poorly where the required courses are taught in groups of 1 instr per 800 seats in an auditorium by TA's with no command of the English language but flourish in the one-to-a5 instr-to-student ratio in cc's. Don't knock a proven way of increasing knowledge. Agree! Community colleges provide core credits that can be transferred to many colleges and universities to attain a four year degree, and for the most part at a fraction of the cost. I've had the pleasure of working with many graduates of the HACC nursing program and can attest that their knowlege and nursing practice as new grads are every bit as solid as the four year bachelor's degree I completed to become a graduate nurse. It is an extremely competitive program. I don't recall the exact GPA that is required to even gain acceptance to the clinical part of the degree but I'm thinking a 3.5 wouldn't cut it. Online Bachelor's Degrees are also a popular alternative to many of my colleagues who are looking to advance from their AD to BSN. They are affordable options which still allows them to work and have a home life. All are accredited programs and by the courses and work I have seen is not a walk in the park.
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Post by Venter on Nov 19, 2012 10:05:38 GMT -5
Okay! Jeez, it was a remark about the Electoral College. Maybe I should have used Penn State instead... but that's a University, not a "college". Hmmm, where in the Gettysburg area could I find a College for comparison instead? Now I guess I'll hear from the Strayer and University of Phoenix Online camp Guess I'll also get it from you graduates of the College of Hard Knocks, and of course, the Florida University of Cultural Knowledge. Seriously though, I believe fully in ANY Continuing Education Programs. Even if it is an Apprenticeship in a Trade, any furthering of your education and skills will make this a better nation. Since this discussion is in the President Barack Obama topic, it just goes to show how the underprivileged can overcome the over-advantaged. Obama would not be where he is today without his education. Of course, some of you may argue that he would ALSO not be here today if MORE Well-Educated People had voted.
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Post by Alex Oreilly on Nov 19, 2012 15:53:55 GMT -5
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Post by HoneyBadger on Nov 19, 2012 17:31:04 GMT -5
Venter--I take exception to your caustic inference about community colleges. As we all learn in different ways and at different speeds community colleges provide a second approach to higher education--have taught at both (hold a MS from the Big 10 and a PhD from UMD--dissertation was on community collleges and their leadership). Had one son go thru the cc route to his education degree (now teaching 8th grade in Chicago area) while two others went thru state universities...one with a BA and one with a PhD. Going thru all four experiences it was quite apparent that some do poorly where the required courses are taught in groups of 1 instr per 800 seats in an auditorium by TA's with no command of the English language but flourish in the one-to-a5 instr-to-student ratio in cc's. Don't knock a proven way of increasing knowledge. Agree! Community colleges provide core credits that can be transferred to many colleges and universities to attain a four year degree, and for the most part at a fraction of the cost. I've had the pleasure of working with many graduates of the HACC nursing program and can attest that their knowlege and nursing practice as new grads are every bit as solid as the four year bachelor's degree I completed to become a graduate nurse. It is an extremely competitive program. I don't recall the exact GPA that is required to even gain acceptance to the clinical part of the degree but I'm thinking a 3.5 wouldn't cut it. Online Bachelor's Degrees are also a popular alternative to many of my colleagues who are looking to advance from their AD to BSN. They are affordable options which still allows them to work and have a home life. All are accredited programs and by the courses and work I have seen is not a walk in the park. What's all of the sensitivity about? Even I - the uneducated one - got Venter's comment. And people say that I go off the rails. Right!
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Post by Alex Oreilly on Nov 19, 2012 19:17:04 GMT -5
Agree! Community colleges provide core credits that can be transferred to many colleges and universities to attain a four year degree, and for the most part at a fraction of the cost. I've had the pleasure of working with many graduates of the HACC nursing program and can attest that their knowlege and nursing practice as new grads are every bit as solid as the four year bachelor's degree I completed to become a graduate nurse. It is an extremely competitive program. I don't recall the exact GPA that is required to even gain acceptance to the clinical part of the degree but I'm thinking a 3.5 wouldn't cut it. Online Bachelor's Degrees are also a popular alternative to many of my colleagues who are looking to advance from their AD to BSN. They are affordable options which still allows them to work and have a home life. All are accredited programs and by the courses and work I have seen is not a walk in the park. What's all of the sensitivity about? Even I - the uneducated one - got Venter's comment. And people say that I go off the rails. Right! First once I agree with you HoneyBadger, it was pretty easy to understand what Venter was trying to say.
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Post by lifesaver on Nov 20, 2012 9:43:05 GMT -5
I know what Venter was getting at. I didn't like the implied impression of community colleges. What really gets me about our institutions of higher learning is the exorbitant cost of private and Ivy League Schools. To graduate from one of these schools with 100K+ in school loan debt is ludicrous, especially since the job market usually predicts that your first job you get will have no where near the salary to allow you to pay off these debts easily. "Do you want fries with that"? A community college offers a way to offset some of these costs if you can transfer to a four year college to complete your degree. And there are quite a few colleges around that will accept HACC credits. Anyone who has ever filled out a FAFSA knowing it is an exercise in futility can understand where I am coming from. I do agree Venter that any kind of advanced education or training beyond a high school education is a plus. For some in this area though we need to focus on at least getting them to complete their high school education. Which is why I think the tech prep program at the high school is a wonderful thing!
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Post by americaneagle on Nov 20, 2012 13:42:10 GMT -5
The election definitely established that the village idiots in American have begun to outnumber the rest of the village residents.
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Post by HoneyBadger on Nov 20, 2012 17:48:55 GMT -5
What's all of the sensitivity about? Even I - the uneducated one - got Venter's comment. And people say that I go off the rails. Right! First once I agree with you HoneyBadger, it was pretty easy to understand what Venter was trying to say. Why thank you Alex. I feel so.............bright!
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Post by HoneyBadger on Nov 20, 2012 17:52:15 GMT -5
The election definitely established that the village idiots in American have begun to outnumber the rest of the village residents. And thank you too AE. Actually, you need to correct your statement in regard to locals. I am a small town idiot; not a village idiot.
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Post by orrtannaoracle on Nov 21, 2012 3:53:14 GMT -5
The election definitely established that the village idiots in American have begun to outnumber the rest of the village residents. Actually, according to Willard R-money, it was the "urban" idiots who cost him the election. And virtually everyone knows what that GOP code word means. "The demographics race we’re losing badly,” said Republican Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.). “We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term.” Honey Badger is correct, G-burg is way too large to be classified a "village". I lived in multiple villages in NJ, none of them were more than 1/3 the population of G-burg.
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Post by nilegrazowski on Nov 21, 2012 7:29:27 GMT -5
Voting AGAINST Obama because he has black skin is racist and no good for anyone.
Voting FOR him because he has black skin is no different and no better.
The racism in this election went both ways.
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Post by HoneyBadger on Nov 21, 2012 13:42:23 GMT -5
I heard Barack Obama speak in 2004 at the Democratic National Convention. I believe that the month was July.
It was the first time I ever listened to an entire speech without being bored. I told my mother then that someday he would be the President of the United States.
I didn't look at his color then and I don't see his color now.
I do know this though: Yaphet Kotto is BLACK, Barack Obama is BROWN.
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Post by comeheroften on Nov 21, 2012 19:00:37 GMT -5
The election definitely established that the village idiots in American have begun to outnumber the rest of the village residents. So who then are the "village geniuses"?
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Post by HoneyBadger on Nov 22, 2012 16:13:00 GMT -5
The election definitely established that the village idiots in American have begun to outnumber the rest of the village residents. So who then are the "village geniuses"? Romney supporters. (insert donkey braying here) ;D
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Post by johnnyd on Nov 1, 2013 13:38:05 GMT -5
I think it is time we revisit the "JOY" some of you had regarding the re-election of Obama. Let's see, shall we chat about Fast and Furious or the IRS debacle. Perhaps we can discuss his outstanding, and quite stout, foreign policy moves (Egypt, Iran, Syria, Bengahzi, etc.). Why we certainly have the admiration, fear and respect of all countries around the world since his re-election.
Moreover, the health care (Obamacare) mandate he strived for has caused tens of thousands to lose their insurance. See, it's very simple - if a current insurance policy does not contain (at least) the EXACT coverage that Obamacare provides - then your insurance company can simply toss you aside by cancelling your current insurance and state you must get another policy through the government exchange. How convienent.
I guess the biggest problem with Obama is, "He Lies". How prophetic congressman Wilson was when he shouted that comment during a state of the union address (inappropriate place to make the comment - but, he was accurate). Lack of competence can be made up for if you surround yourself with good people, crediabilty and truth can not be compensated for. Obama has shown he is both untruthful and incompetent.
Oh well, I guess we only have to put up with this for 3 more years. Then we will be able to coronate the next democratic president - Hillary. As she says, "at this point what difference does it make".
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Post by lifesaver on Nov 2, 2013 8:23:52 GMT -5
I think it is time we revisit the "JOY" some of you had regarding the re-election of Obama. Let's see, shall we chat about Fast and Furious or the IRS debacle. Perhaps we can discuss his outstanding, and quite stout, foreign policy moves (Egypt, Iran, Syria, Bengahzi, etc.). Why we certainly have the admiration, fear and respect of all countries around the world since his re-election. Moreover, the health care (Obamacare) mandate he strived for has caused tens of thousands to lose their insurance. See, it's very simple - if a current insurance policy does not contain (at least) the EXACT coverage that Obamacare provides - then your insurance company can simply toss you aside by cancelling your current insurance and state you must get another policy through the government exchange. How convienent. I guess the biggest problem with Obama is, "He Lies". How prophetic congressman Wilson was when he shouted that comment during a state of the union address (inappropriate place to make the comment - but, he was accurate). Lack of competence can be made up for if you surround yourself with good people, crediabilty and truth can not be compensated for. Obama has shown he is both untruthful and incompetent. Oh well, I guess we only have to put up with this for 3 more years. Then we will be able to coronate the next democratic president - Hillary. As she says, "at this point what difference does it make". I hope Obamacare implodes on it's own when people just refuse to sign up. Of course the CF of a rollout has made that process easy for everyone. Government has no business controlling our health care.
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Post by getysbg on Nov 2, 2013 12:23:24 GMT -5
No, but Chris Christie YES. A republican who can work with Dems, get stuff done, and has begun to dismantle the Union nightmare in my own home state.
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