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Post by moose on Feb 23, 2013 8:03:37 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that no Gun Control topic has been started yet. As a practitioner and supporter of the 2nd Amendment, I am perplexed that no one has found it fitting to vocalize their feelings on this issue. On my visits to local gun shops and the frenzy that is currently fueling demand for guns and ammo like never before, I KNOW there are strong sentiments out there about this subject. There are all kinds of theories and hypothesis about what this country is coming to and people are gearing up for whatever they feel need to do to survive. Obama has unwittingly spurred the economy in a way he could never have imagined. I talked to one small FFL (Federal Firearms L incense) Dealer and on Election Day when it appeared Obama was going to win, he had his shopping cart filled with his desired inventory and submitted his order on a leap of faith. I was lucky to find and overpay for my scary looking, plastic encased, semi-automatic hunting rifle. While not the typical home-defense weapon, the 2nd Amendment reaches far beyond home defense. It specifically states a militia as an acceptable cause to own guns. Do you think the day will come when an American Army will shoot upon it own people? Does the government have any chance of banning guns/weapons? Biden says to buy a shotgun...why do you think he telling you do that? Americans are individualistic and somewhat rebellious by nature; if they don't voluntarily disarm you'll need to disarm them, which will create a situation which will reinforce their belief that they should be armed. Why the need for gun control in the first place? Sure, the isolated atrocious events that get your attention fuels the debate, but the facts don't support the argument. I urge you to watch the following video to learn the facts. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa98FHuaU0&playnext=1&list=PLEJsAatK83MN3CGltRqE24d5vka8wSu_w&feature=results_main |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Feb 23, 2013 10:54:13 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that no Gun Control topic has been started yet. As a practitioner and supporter of the 2nd Amendment, I am perplexed that no one has found it fitting to vocalize their feelings on this issue. On my visits to local gun shops and the frenzy that is currently fueling demand for guns and ammo like never before, I KNOW there are strong sentiments out there about this subject. There are all kinds of theories and hypothesis about what this country is coming to and people are gearing up for whatever they feel need to do to survive. Obama has unwittingly spurred the economy in a way he could never have imagined. I talked to one small FFL (Federal Firearms L incense) Dealer and on Election Day when it appeared Obama was going to win, he had his shopping cart filled with his desired inventory and submitted his order on a leap of faith. I was lucky to find and overpay for my scary looking, plastic encased, semi-automatic hunting rifle. While not the typical home-defense weapon, the 2nd Amendment reaches far beyond home defense. It specifically states a militia as an acceptable cause to own guns. Do you think the day will come when an American Army will shoot upon it own people? Does the government have any chance of banning guns/weapons? Biden says to buy a shotgun...why do you think he telling you do that? Americans are individualistic and somewhat rebellious by nature; if they don't voluntarily disarm you'll need to disarm them, which will create a situation which will reinforce their belief that they should be armed. Why the need for gun control in the first place? Sure, the isolated atrocious events that get your attention fuels the debate, but the facts don't support the argument. I urge you to watch the following video to learn the facts. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa98FHuaU0&playnext=1&list=PLEJsAatK83MN3CGltRqE24d5vka8wSu_w&feature=results_main Oh, Moose, don't get them started. I was at Redding's Hardware a week ago and I knocked over a display, dropped a pen between display cases, dropped my money etc. The man behind me began chuckling and I told him that's why I don't own a gun. I'd probably shoot myself in the foot while aiming at a target. By the way, Reddings was jam-packed. Business is good. |
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Post by Venter on Feb 23, 2013 19:03:04 GMT -5
Hmmm... I think I'll mosey over to SpreadTheMustard.com and start some shit  ;D ;D Gun Control? No such thing. PEOPLE Control; Self Control? Now THERE'S an idea! I saw a statistic that said there are something like "32 Bullets" existing/sold for every person in the United States. It also stated that there should be "Ammunition Control", and that would eliminate the carnage. I don't know about you, but whenever I get to shooting guns, I'll use up WAY MORE than my allotted "32 Bullets". I suppose that the bullets that Police buy are just the ones that are loaded into their guns - who needs to practice? It's over-rated. If someone shoots me, and I die, THEN I'll really be pissed about guns, and then I promise I'll come out against them  I wonder what options a person without a gun could use to kill multiples of people... - Molotov Cocktail in a NightClub or Movie Theater after chaining the doors? Maybe.
- Ramming your tractor trailer into a schoolyard?
- Driving the wrong way up I-95?
- Rigging a train track on a Metro Rail Line... or just parking a truck on the track?
- A little Kerosene and Fertilizer?
Or a bunch of people could attend a Borough Council Meeting... and then lose their will to live!? Would THAT count?  We don't allow kids to work out their issues on the playground, or after school anymore. We don't even allow kids to Point their FINGERS at one-another without expulsion and counseling. The Pussyfication of America has created a bunch of Pissed Off People. The inability, or unwillingness of our System to properly deal with SICK People, and Whackos, has created a Species that has fucked up the whole sense of "natural selection". Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT for "Bullying" or anything, but there has become an entire Generation, or more, who have never had to deal with REAL Life Issues without having intervention by the Court, or Media, or School Personnel. Kids can't "get angry", or act in any "normal" retaliatory manner without dire consequences. Ooooh, "time-out" for hitting Billy in the head! Maybe it's time for Billy to be able to take matters into his own hands, before he loses the ability to stand up for himself. All of a sudden - after the protective bubble of school - Billy is left to his own defenses, and the only way he has of dealing with his inadequacies is a Total Meltdown! Some people can be extremely cruel... kids can be even crueler. I used to be a very nice kid - really  I never wanted to fight, and I would take a lot of shit before I could be backed into a corner. Always tried my words first (before it became mandatory). NEVER started a fight, but SURE AS HELL learned how to end one... and it didn't include any "weapons or terroristic threats". Maybe it was wrong, in retrospect, but if someone had prevented all of our neighborhood squabbles from being acted-out in the alleys and parks, then I think there would have been a whole lot more pent-up anger and retaliation enacted upon people in the future. Never allow the Pots to Boil Over! Some steam let out once in awhile is all it would take. The next day, you'd all be playing ball in the park together, and apologizing for a black eye or two. A gun, or even the threat of one, was NEVER entered into the mix. And look how well I turned out! ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by moose on Feb 23, 2013 20:02:48 GMT -5
Hmmm... I think I'll mosey over to SpreadTheMustard.com and start some shit ;D ;D LMAO! I like your humor Venter! I got enuff shit to hold me for awhile, though. I saw a statistic that said there are something like "32 Bullets" existing/sold for every person in the United States. It also stated that there should be "Ammunition Control", and that would eliminate the carnage. It's always some Wacko that gets the headlines, but there are probably 200 million guns in America and once in awhile there will be a carnage that will stun folks, but there's NEVER a headline that states 200 million guns DIDN'T harm anyone today. I wonder what options a person without a gun could use to kill multiples of people... - Molotov Cocktail in a NightClub or Movie Theater after chaining the doors? Maybe.
- Ramming your tractor trailer into a schoolyard?
- Driving the wrong way up I-95?
- Rigging a train track on a Metro Rail Line... or just parking a truck on the track?
- A little Kerosene and Fertilizer?
Or a bunch of people could attend a Borough Council Meeting... and then lose their will to live!? Would THAT count? LOL. Wonder when the British are going to ban knives? Their violent crime stats way surpass us and the weapon of choice appears to be knives. Something needs to be done! While waiting for a background check the other night (yeah, purchasing another one), the dealer was on the phone (actually 2 phones) for an hour trying to get through. Never did get through...have to go back. In that hour of two law-biding citizens waiting to get checked, there was probably 5 back alley deals that went down in Baltimore with no checks, no paper trail. That's the gun owners they should worry about...those in the metropolitan areas. Just saying... |
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Post by lifesaver on Feb 23, 2013 22:08:03 GMT -5
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Post by Venter on Feb 24, 2013 11:18:05 GMT -5
In the recent Ex-Police Officer Chris Dorner / Big Bear Lake, CA episode, I was left with this question: Why has the press not concentrated on his LEGALLY OWNED GUNS?This is a prime example of someone who had apparently been a Legal Gun Owner, going over the edge. This was a Law Enforcement Officer who was entrusted with our safety - and allowed (required?) to be armed to "protect and serve". I'd bet that he had gone through extensive classes and training on gun safety and responsible gun ownership. I expected the usual reporting that Dorner had a "cache of weapons", including a "sniper rifle", high capacity magazines, etc. As a person who works with tools, I have collected quite a few different tools over the years. Some new and state-of-the-art, some older/vintage/bizarre. As a Police Officer, or someone who is in the business of dealing with guns on a regular basis, I would assume that he (and many others) may be into collecting guns. If he was determined to do some major damage, I very much doubt that he would chose to drag along a pair of 1863 Dueling Pistols. You take along the tools necessary for the job you are going to do. At what point should those tools have been removed from this person - if at all? Until he becomes a criminal, then all of his guns are LEGAL for him to have. The GUNS did NOT make him crazy - the guns were part and parcel of his duties as a "trusted" Police Officer, and NEVER CHANGED in their capabilities, or purpose, as weapons. The only thing that changed was the person who owned the guns, and the lives of everyone he affected. You can fall on a pair of scissors and die, and it is called an accident. If you are stabbed instead, by that same pair of scissors [say, 13 times] it is called murder. Same pair of scissors - different scenarios - same outcome. At what point should the scissors have been removed from that home? Only the murderer knows... or actually, he was probably the LAST person to make that judgement call. Sorry, but when someone writes, and delivers, a Manifesto... it's time to take it seriously - and unfortunately, it is probably WAY too late to bring this person back down to earth. www.scribd.com/doc/124401603/Dorner-Manifesto-FULL-TEXTI've only gotten through about half of it... whew!  Strange thing about it, I had already written the part about the "Playground Justice" before I read about his episodes in the Manifesto this morning. Yikes! |
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Post by getysbg on Feb 25, 2013 8:08:34 GMT -5
With all of the debate on safeguarding our constitutional riights and the "you don't need it" crowd, the problem of handguns, especially in the larger cities, is still vexing. I am not the least bit concerned that reenactors, collectors, hunters, defenders of their own property carry or store weapons. Drug dealers, gang bangers and the neighborhood ne'r do wells are a much different story.
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Post by MattC on Feb 25, 2013 9:06:31 GMT -5
Amen, Golden. Amen. Hmmm... I think I'll mosey over to SpreadTheMustard.com and start some shit ;D ;D Gun Control? No such thing. PEOPLE Control; Self Control? Now THERE'S an idea! I saw a statistic that said there are something like "32 Bullets" existing/sold for every person in the United States. It also stated that there should be "Ammunition Control", and that would eliminate the carnage. I don't know about you, but whenever I get to shooting guns, I'll use up WAY MORE than my allotted "32 Bullets". I suppose that the bullets that Police buy are just the ones that are loaded into their guns - who needs to practice? It's over-rated. If someone shoots me, and I die, THEN I'll really be pissed about guns, and then I promise I'll come out against them I wonder what options a person without a gun could use to kill multiples of people... - Molotov Cocktail in a NightClub or Movie Theater after chaining the doors? Maybe.
- Ramming your tractor trailer into a schoolyard?
- Driving the wrong way up I-95?
- Rigging a train track on a Metro Rail Line... or just parking a truck on the track?
- A little Kerosene and Fertilizer?
Or a bunch of people could attend a Borough Council Meeting... and then lose their will to live!? Would THAT count? We don't allow kids to work out their issues on the playground, or after school anymore. We don't even allow kids to Point their FINGERS at one-another without expulsion and counseling. The Pussyfication of America has created a bunch of Pissed Off People. The inability, or unwillingness of our System to properly deal with SICK People, and Whackos, has created a Species that has fucked up the whole sense of "natural selection". Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT for "Bullying" or anything, but there has become an entire Generation, or more, who have never had to deal with REAL Life Issues without having intervention by the Court, or Media, or School Personnel. Kids can't "get angry", or act in any "normal" retaliatory manner without dire consequences. Ooooh, "time-out" for hitting Billy in the head! Maybe it's time for Billy to be able to take matters into his own hands, before he loses the ability to stand up for himself. All of a sudden - after the protective bubble of school - Billy is left to his own defenses, and the only way he has of dealing with his inadequacies is a Total Meltdown! Some people can be extremely cruel... kids can be even crueler. I used to be a very nice kid - really I never wanted to fight, and I would take a lot of shit before I could be backed into a corner. Always tried my words first (before it became mandatory). NEVER started a fight, but SURE AS HELL learned how to end one... and it didn't include any "weapons or terroristic threats". Maybe it was wrong, in retrospect, but if someone had prevented all of our neighborhood squabbles from being acted-out in the alleys and parks, then I think there would have been a whole lot more pent-up anger and retaliation enacted upon people in the future. Never allow the Pots to Boil Over! Some steam let out once in awhile is all it would take. The next day, you'd all be playing ball in the park together, and apologizing for a black eye or two. A gun, or even the threat of one, was NEVER entered into the mix. And look how well I turned out! ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Venter on Feb 25, 2013 10:24:39 GMT -5
With all of the debate on safeguarding our constitutional riights and the "you don't need it" crowd, the problem of handguns, especially in the larger cities, is still vexing. I am not the least bit concerned that reenactors, collectors, hunters, defenders of their own property carry or store weapons. Drug dealers, gang bangers and the neighborhood ne'r do wells are a much different story. If we could convince the criminals to hand in all of their guns, then maybe we wouldn't feel the need to keep ours! ;D They are just trying to protect themselves like we are  The escalation of arms has been going on since the first person picked up a stick to defend against a fist... and then a rock, a spear, a bow, gun, cannon, Atomic Bomb... and then a rock... |
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Post by getysbg on Feb 25, 2013 15:49:01 GMT -5
With all of the debate on safeguarding our constitutional riights and the "you don't need it" crowd, the problem of handguns, especially in the larger cities, is still vexing. I am not the least bit concerned that reenactors, collectors, hunters, defenders of their own property carry or store weapons. Drug dealers, gang bangers and the neighborhood ne'r do wells are a much different story. If we could convince the criminals to hand in all of their guns, then maybe we wouldn't feel the need to keep ours! ;D They are just trying to protect themselves like we are The escalation of arms has been going on since the first person picked up a stick to defend against a fist... and then a rock, a spear, a bow, gun, cannon, Atomic Bomb... and then a rock... So we should just allow the situation to continue? The only thing we 2nd amendmenters are saying is "don't look at us - it's those guys' fault". Laws are passed due to some not following common sense/decency. Without some way to solve the problem there will be restrictions that we don't want or like. Things will change, like it or not. I can remember when I was coming up that DUI was a slap on the wrist, if that! I watched the police have a former neighbor park his car and then they drove him home! Not today! We have to come up with a workable, common sense solution or we will all pay a price. If you can't provide a workable solution, then we are part of the problem. |
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Post by Venter on Feb 25, 2013 17:18:33 GMT -5
If a criminal wants a gun, he will get a gun.
If a convicted DUI wants to drive DUI again - he will, even during probation.
People who are hell-bent on breaking the law will do whatever it takes.
Why are Laws on the Books?
Just so we know what is right or wrong?
No, if nothing else, (for the most part) The Bible is able to show us what is right or wrong - by example.
The Laws are there to allow us to punish the perpetrator, if/when they step outside the boundaries.
Years ago, it was nothing to pour your used oil down the sewer.
Most people did not realize the consequences of that action... or Mercury, DDT, Lead, Chrome, etc.
People are TOLD what not to do, and why they shouldn't do it - and for many people, that is fine enough with us.
But without a LAW behind it, it has no effect on those people who just don't get it.
Even WITH a Law, there will be those who believe they are not required to abide.
Burning leaves in the street, not having seat belts, kids riding on the tailgate, skinny-dipping, cherry bombs, stealing a kiss, grabbing a grape... there are many more - some more sensible than others, but TODAY, they can all land you in jail.
For some of us, those were the "Good Ol' Days", and simpler times.
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Post by getysbg on Feb 25, 2013 18:47:30 GMT -5
Speaking of the "Good Old Days", go to www.Shorpy.com and scroll down until you come upon the photo labeled - Victory Corps : 1942. Imagine that being taught in an LA high school today! |
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Post by moose on Feb 25, 2013 19:44:19 GMT -5
The 2nd Amendmenters are not the ones you need to fear. They are largely the ones who respect guns and others. Once in awhile some crackpot will emerge or be set off by some extenuating circumstances, but the violent crime rate is way down. Tougher sentencing for the hardcore and proven criminals is part of the reason. There sure is a comforting feeling when you KNOW you have a way to protect yourself and others. And, the ball of fire that erupts from the end of the barrel is pretty cool too (oops, couldn't resist). There's a rumor that the wacko kid in Sandy Hook had a 223 assault weapon but didn't actually use it, but used handguns instead. Haven't been able to verify...maybe need to do a Right To Know Request . If true, all this hysteria against assault rifles is unfounded, maybe even concocted. Who knows? |
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Post by Venter on Feb 25, 2013 20:22:18 GMT -5
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Post by MattC on Feb 25, 2013 23:59:26 GMT -5
ya know, every one of us breaks several laws a day without even knowing it. There are so many laws on the books that it's impossible for citizens or even law enforcement to keep up with them all. More gun laws aren't going to do a lick of good, just like they haven't in the past.
Several years ago I read a study that showed that in the olden days when people used to walk around armed, there was actually less crime than today. they adjusted for population growth too. there could be a number of reasons for this, i.e. people tried to be more moral, etc., but one reason must surely be because you never knew who was packing heat.
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