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Post by comeheroften on Mar 23, 2013 6:37:38 GMT -5
So the Pennsylvania State House has decided the state should move into the 21st century and passed historic legislation that would privatize liquor sales here. Now the bill must pass the Senate where our beloved Senator Alloway has stated "I don't think it's good policy to have Jim Beam and Jack Daniels on the shelves of every minute-mart ... to have our kids walking in and having whiskey on the shelves".
What's Rich been drinking? Does he really think that shop owners would be stupid enough to jeopardize their license by selling liquor to kids?
I, for one, am tired of having to drive 15 miles in order to buy a bottle of wine to have with dinner. Plenty of states have laws allowing private stores to sell alcohol. Why must Pennsylvania insist on remaining in the dark ages?
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Post by Alex Oreilly on Mar 23, 2013 13:17:35 GMT -5
Government should not run businesses, Businesses should run businesses.
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Post by redlock on Mar 23, 2013 15:33:30 GMT -5
Government should NOT run businesses, Businesses should run businesses. Fixed it for you. |
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Post by Alex Oreilly on Mar 23, 2013 21:44:14 GMT -5
Government should NOT run businesses, Businesses should run businesses. Fixed it for you. Thank you Redlock, spellcheck doesnt fix those mistakes  |
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Post by ballpienhammer on Mar 30, 2013 8:03:29 GMT -5
My 2 cents:
I now reside in a town on the PA/NY border, or two adjacent towns...where there is a small PA Liquor store in Sayre and 4 miles away in Waverly, NY, a smaller(even) private whiskey shop. Which do I frequent? Well, both, depending on day of week, time of day, and etcetera. The kicker is, NY store sells quarts at a higher price and PA sells smaller bottles at a lower price...ounce for ounce or cc for cc, for you modern scientists, it's close enough.
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Post by ballpienhammer on Mar 30, 2013 8:52:31 GMT -5
As an after thought, and I'm sure the reason for the P.S is this delicious Texas coffee I am drinking here at 71 degrees(later to 81F), just west of Houston...anyway, the ABSOLUT tastes exactly the same from the larger bottle as the smaller. Isn't that something?! ..must be modern glass techniques bottling in Sweden.
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Post by orrtannaexpat on Apr 10, 2013 6:58:25 GMT -5
I'm now living in my third state in the last decade and have traveled through many others and the current PA set-up is easily the worst that I have experienced. Even VA and NC which have state stores allow beer and wine sales in many other locations such as grocery stores. I basically stopped drinking beer after moving to PA as I refused to pay exorbitant six-pack prices at bars and never drank enough to warrant buying it by the case. How a county such as Adams with 100K in population can be adequately served by ONE friggin' store is ridiculous. And those who blather about the state revenues derived from liquor sales that will be jeopardized if the state stores are abandoned are stone-cold liars. New Jersey does just fine collecting those revenues before the sale is made to the retail customer, and their prices are far better because there is competition in the marketplace. Those several thousand LCB store personnel? If they are any good at their job, they should be able to either buy a an outlet or be hired by an owner looking for experienced staff. Fortunately, we shopped most of the time in Chambersburg which has two stores, one of which was open on Sunday I believe. When we both worked in the Carroll Valley area, runs to Paul's Pit Stop were in order on a regular basis. During trips to Baltimore, there is a very convenient liquor store right on eastbound 140 as you enter Westminster. And they gave good case discounts on liquor. As for Alloway's comments (on any matter as far as I am concerned), consider the source.
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Post by Mr Blonde on Apr 10, 2013 9:57:51 GMT -5
I'm now living in my third state in the last decade and have traveled through many others and the current PA set-up is easily the worst that I have experienced. Even VA and NC which have state stores allow beer and wine sales in many other locations such as grocery stores. I basically stopped drinking beer after moving to PA as I refused to pay exorbitant six-pack prices at bars and never drank enough to warrant buying it by the case. How a county such as Adams with 100K in population can be adequately served by ONE friggin' store is ridiculous. And those who blather about the state revenues derived from liquor sales that will be jeopardized if the state stores are abandoned are stone-cold liars. New Jersey does just fine collecting those revenues before the sale is made to the retail customer, and their prices are far better because there is competition in the marketplace. Those several thousand LCB store personnel? If they are any good at their job, they should be able to either buy a an outlet or be hired by an owner looking for experienced staff. Fortunately, we shopped most of the time in Chambersburg which has two stores, one of which was open on Sunday I believe. When we both worked in the Carroll Valley area, runs to Paul's Pit Stop were in order on a regular basis. During trips to Baltimore, there is a very convenient liquor store right on eastbound 140 as you enter Westminster. And they gave good case discounts on liquor. As for Alloway's comments (on any matter as far as I am concerned), consider the source. Competition DOES NOT equal lower prices, each state taxes alcohol at a different rate. The overwhelming majority of price differences are because of taxes and have absolutely nothing to do with competition. Just take note of prices down the road in Emmittsburg and compare them to what you're paying in Gettysburg, they're the same or differ by a few cents. It used to be cheaper in MD, but MD has significantly raised their alcohol taxes over the last several years. There are also plenty of bars/places in this town that sell six packs for a reasonable price. I'm still paying less for most of the six packs I buy at my usual joints than I would if I bought them at Giant. |
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Post by davew on Apr 11, 2013 11:52:33 GMT -5
I agree on the taxes. I used to be all for liquor privatization, but I don't much care now. What'll end up happening is they'll sell the rights to privatize like they're doing now, and either build in a lump sum of lost taxes up front or collect taxes along the way, and the group buying the business will end up charging about the same because the underlying costs won't change. They'll probably save some on labor if it's privatized, but that will just go to either service debt used to buy the business or be collected by the new retailer in the same way - as returns on their investment.
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