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Post by crazy8 on Oct 18, 2013 12:53:49 GMT -5
In his original race for office Sheriff Muller came in third out of four Republican candidates. Not a very strong endorsement. He got a few more votes than anyone else and was on the DEMOCRATIC ticket for the fall election! The Democrats rallied around him and got him elected by less than 40 votes in the general election. Again, not an overwhelming victory. He then turned his back on the party that got him elected. (Fake Democrat? or Fake Republican?) Last election he only received 54% of the Republican primary vote. A lousy showing by an incumbent. One of his opponents (Redding) received the endorsement of the Pa State Police FOP Lodge. I wonder why they didn't endorse the Sheriff if he was doing such a terrific job? Redding at least is supporting the party that is supporting him!
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Post by Venter on Oct 18, 2013 13:17:44 GMT -5
I have said before that positions like Sheriff, Judge, and Treasurer, etc, should always be allowed to cross-party. These positions are not, or should not be, politically biased or divided along party lines.
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Post by Deputy Sheriff on Oct 18, 2013 14:14:05 GMT -5
It is my understanding that Sheriff Muller did not "switch" parties to Run his 1st time - again this is the problem with Rumors. He received write-ins to be on the Ballot - so add that to your total votes for Muller in the 4 way race. The only reason Redding rec'd the State Police FOP endorsement is he was the only one who sought it - and if you knew how the system really worked - you would know they give it to that person (if there is no other seeking it) - They didn't give it to him this time - and Sheriff Muller has been endorsed by the Tri County FOP Lodge #76, which Mr. Redding sought as well, apparently they could see the difference. As Venter stated this is not a political position as far as Party - so why did Redding have to "switch" parties if he truly is the best candidate??? He should have been able to garner enough votes, and win 4 years ago - now he's just had more time to bad-mouth and attack the Sheriff on lies. Also #'s are based on turnout - so you may want to re-figure that.
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Post by Fire Marshal Bill on Oct 18, 2013 15:22:37 GMT -5
Just to put my two cents in here, but turnout is all that counts. If 90% of the people in the county support one person but only 15% of the population shows up to vote, and all of those who do not support that candidate show up, guess who wins. You can't count those who may support you but don't come out to vote. But then again, if they don't come out to vote, I guess they really don't support you do they?
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Post by crazy8 on Oct 18, 2013 17:12:55 GMT -5
Redding has quoted past budgets..you keep saying he lies..about what specifically? I have never seen any reference by him that attacks Muller personally. He has sought to bring costs to the publics eye. Unlike the truly negative campaign that he has endured, liar, slanderer, etc. What are the specifics because without them you are exactly what you say he is..a negative campaigner. Oh and where was it stated Muller switched parties? Quit foaming at the mouth, take a deep breath and then speak your drivel.
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Post by Alex Oreilly on Oct 18, 2013 19:49:24 GMT -5
It is my understanding that Sheriff Muller did not "switch" parties to Run his 1st time - again this is the problem with Rumors. He received write-ins to be on the Ballot - so add that to your total votes for Muller in the 4 way race. The only reason Redding rec'd the State Police FOP endorsement is he was the only one who sought it - and if you knew how the system really worked - you would know they give it to that person (if there is no other seeking it) - They didn't give it to him this time - and Sheriff Muller has been endorsed by the Tri County FOP Lodge #76, which Mr. Redding sought as well, apparently they could see the difference. As Venter stated this is not a political position as far as Party - so why did Redding have to "switch" parties if he truly is the best candidate??? He should have been able to garner enough votes, and win 4 years ago - now he's just had more time to bad-mouth and attack the Sheriff on lies. Also #'s are based on turnout - so you may want to re-figure that. I believe Redding switched parties to make sure there was a candidate on each side in the general election not because of wanting to be with a certain party.
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Post by Venter on Oct 18, 2013 20:06:08 GMT -5
Why shouldn't Democrats get to vote for a Republican Candidate in the primary - especially if it is one of the "Non-Partisan" Positions?
In this "Republican Region", one party alone basically gets to select the winning Candidate in the Primaries. I think Redding did the right thing, which then allows everyone to vote for Sheriff, instead of just the Republicans.
The Independents, Tea Partyers, and Greens have NO SAY until the General Elections roll around. Many times you'll hear someone say that they "... will vote for a Candidate X", but they won't be able to until November. By then, it's too late, because some other "Party" has eliminated him/her from your options.
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Post by lifesaver on Oct 19, 2013 8:15:42 GMT -5
I know both Muller and Redding and don't have an issue with either one. In Adams County, however,sheriffs have a history of long careers in law enforcement. I know of only four in my lifetime, Dawson Miller, Bernie Miller, Rocky Newman, and Sherriff Muller. I might be wrong, but I think candidate Redding has a hard row to hoe, and attempts at negative campaigning on either side will have little effect on the election.
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Post by gdaddy on Oct 19, 2013 12:31:42 GMT -5
Muller did in fact switch parties, switched his registration to get the Democrats to support him. He told them explicitly that he was happy to be a Democrat. ( I was there and heard him) He was elected and within a few months he was out actively campaigning for Republicans. He has been sued by his employees repeatedly, and lost. He has charmed the local Judges (all Republicans) so much that courthouse security is NOT a duty of the Sheriff as it is in other counties. The jail is filled with nepotism, cronyism and incompetence. This is certainly one position that has absolutely nothing to do with party politics and if done right- nothing to do with politics at all. Muller has cost the taxpayers a fortune by being inept and a good ole boy. Get out and vote.
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Post by Deputy Sheriff on Oct 21, 2013 8:20:13 GMT -5
gdaddy must be hanging on Redding's coat tail - Muller did not "SWITCH" parties - he ran on the Democratic Ballot in the General Election because he had the write-ins to do so - in fact - the Democrats wanted him to switch parties and he in fact told them he would not switch parties but since so many of them took the time to write him in - he would run. Check with Voter Registration - Muller has always been a Republican - again - you have the wrong facts - and one questions why people are saying Redding is running a negative and untruthful campaign just to win a job he is not qualified for You also need to get the FACTS on the "what you call lawsuits" - but again - you are listening to the Redding Bible, and his word is Golden. Truth will prevail on Nov. 5th.
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Post by Fire Marshal Bill on Oct 21, 2013 18:23:59 GMT -5
Just asking again, but I question the administrative and management ability of an individual who has to go outside his department to hire his assistant.
Wasn’t the Chief Deputy brought from outside the Sheriff’s Department?
Was that because there is nobody competent in the department to fill the position?
If so, is it because competent individuals are hired and employed in the department at this time? Or is it because the head of the department isn’t properly training the subordinates to move into this position?
What does this do to the moral of the Deputies when the job goes to someone outside the organization?
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Post by moose on Oct 21, 2013 20:36:14 GMT -5
Just asking again, but I question the administrative and management ability of an individual who has to go outside his department to hire his assistant. Wasn’t the Chief Deputy brought from outside the Sheriff’s Department? Was that because there is nobody competent in the department to fill the position? If so, is it because competent individuals are hired and employed in the department at this time? Or is it because the head of the department isn’t properly training the subordinates to move into this position? What does this do to the moral of the Deputies when the job goes to someone outside the organization? FMB, I know nothing about the internal workings of the Sheriff's Dept. so I don't want to paint them one way or another. I do however, have experience in mentoring and developing talent and preparing them for their next challenge. Some people just don't get it. You can exhaust your efforts on some folks and they're just not up to the task ahead of them. Some are unwilling and/or some are unable to grasp the importance of what you are trying to convey to them. I was mentoring a (nameless) associate to move into a Supervisory role and I instructed her that she needs to dress nicely so the interviewers see her in a different light. She ignored my advice and showed up to her interview in the same shorts and blouse she normally wears for her hourly gig. Needless to say, she didn't get the job. I don't know what the Sheriff is dealing with but I have to expect that he picked the best candidate for the job, regardless if he had to go outside for the talent. Growing your own talent is certainly cheaper, but isn't always the best way to go. Sure, morale can be adversely affected if you always choose an outsider, but if those who are overlooked take an unbiased look in the mirror, the answer is usually staring back at them.
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Post by Fire Marshal Bill on Oct 22, 2013 5:03:56 GMT -5
Just asking again, but I question the administrative and management ability of an individual who has to go outside his department to hire his assistant. Wasn’t the Chief Deputy brought from outside the Sheriff’s Department? Was that because there is nobody competent in the department to fill the position? If so, is it because competent individuals are hired and employed in the department at this time? Or is it because the head of the department isn’t properly training the subordinates to move into this position? What does this do to the moral of the Deputies when the job goes to someone outside the organization? FMB, I know nothing about the internal workings of the Sheriff's Dept. so I don't want to paint them one way or another. I do however, have experience in mentoring and developing talent and preparing them for their next challenge. Some people just don't get it. You can exhaust your efforts on some folks and they're just not up to the task ahead of them. Some are unwilling and/or some are unable to grasp the importance of what you are trying to convey to them. I was mentoring a (nameless) associate to move into a Supervisory role and I instructed her that she needs to dress nicely so the interviewers see her in a different light. She ignored my advice and showed up to her interview in the same shorts and blouse she normally wears for her hourly gig. Needless to say, she didn't get the job. I don't know what the Sheriff is dealing with but I have to expect that he picked the best candidate for the job, regardless if he had to go outside for the talent. Growing your own talent is certainly cheaper, but isn't always the best way to go. Sure, morale can be adversely affected if you always choose an outsider, but if those who are overlooked take an unbiased look in the mirror, the answer is usually staring back at them. Very good point.
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Post by Venter on Oct 22, 2013 9:32:40 GMT -5
Hmmm, we bitch if we hire from within (nepotism), or we bitch if we hire an outsider! At least the systems are set up so we can always have something to bitch about! Ain't America Great!?
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