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Post by SpellChecker on Oct 28, 2010 14:10:27 GMT -5
VAST MAJORITY OF PETITIONS SUBMITTED BY MASON-DIXON OPPONENTS CANNOT BE VERIFIED
Cumberland Township, Pa. (Oct. 28, 2010) – Failing to provide even the most basic contact information, a vast majority of petitions submitted to the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board by the opponents of Mason-Dixon Resort are impossible to verify, following a thorough review.
The review, conducted by Mason-Dixon, found countless petitions included only signatures or typed names with no physical address listed. In some cases, anonymous and online petitions were submitted. Several petitions only listed initials instead of a name, and one petition listed the name “Member Contact” at the end of the letter, suggesting a glitch in the online petition system.
Basic petition standards established by Pennsylvania law require each individual to provide their printed name, signature and address of residence, including street and number, as well as the date he or she signed the petition.
“Meeting the basic standards of filing petitions is not difficult,” said Mason-Dixon spokesman David La Torre. “Not having even this most basic information makes it impossible to determine the source of these petitions. It’s our hope these unverifiable petitions will be disqualified. The boxes containing these so-called petitions made for a great visual at the August public input hearing, but the content within those boxes might as well have been blank paper.”
Attached are multiple exhibits.
Exhibit 1 is a single-user petition submitted by the Civil War Preservation Trust. The pages require signature, printed name, city and state but no physical address. Many were not completed and had only a signature.
Exhibit 2 is a letter from the National Trust for Historic Preservation. All include typed names, but no signatures and many do not include a physical address. (We also have included other examples of this petition.)
Exhibit 3 is a Civil War Preservation Trust petition. Many were not completed and physical addresses are not included.
Exhibit 4 is a Civil War Preservation Trust mass e-mail. All are unsigned and do not include physical addresses.
In addition, various online petitions and form letters have been available at nocasinogettysburg.org, which allow people to register multiple times under fictitious names and addresses without verifying their accuracy.
“Once again, we’re proud to stand with the clear majority of 102,000 Adams County residents who support this project based on facts,” La Torre said. “Pennsylvania’s gaming industry has created more than 12,000 jobs and pumped millions of dollars into local economies during one of the worst economic recessions in history. Mason-Dixon is going to be a tremendous asset in helping Adams County reverse its highest unemployment rate since 1984.”
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Post by Fire Marshal Bill on Oct 28, 2010 14:57:06 GMT -5
VAST MAJORITY OF PETITIONS SUBMITTED BY MASON-DIXON OPPONENTS CANNOT BE VERIFIED Cumberland Township, Pa. (Oct. 28, 2010) – Failing to provide even the most basic contact information, a vast majority of petitions submitted to the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board by the opponents of Mason-Dixon Resort are impossible to verify, following a thorough review. The review, conducted by Mason-Dixon, found countless petitions included only signatures or typed names with no physical address listed. In some cases, anonymous and online petitions were submitted. Several petitions only listed initials instead of a name, and one petition listed the name “Member Contact” at the end of the letter, suggesting a glitch in the online petition system. Basic petition standards established by Pennsylvania law require each individual to provide their printed name, signature and address of residence, including street and number, as well as the date he or she signed the petition. “Meeting the basic standards of filing petitions is not difficult,” said Mason-Dixon spokesman David La Torre. “Not having even this most basic information makes it impossible to determine the source of these petitions. It’s our hope these unverifiable petitions will be disqualified. The boxes containing these so-called petitions made for a great visual at the August public input hearing, but the content within those boxes might as well have been blank paper.” Attached are multiple exhibits. Exhibit 1 is a single-user petition submitted by the Civil War Preservation Trust. The pages require signature, printed name, city and state but no physical address. Many were not completed and had only a signature. Exhibit 2 is a letter from the National Trust for Historic Preservation. All include typed names, but no signatures and many do not include a physical address. (We also have included other examples of this petition.) Exhibit 3 is a Civil War Preservation Trust petition. Many were not completed and physical addresses are not included. Exhibit 4 is a Civil War Preservation Trust mass e-mail. All are unsigned and do not include physical addresses. In addition, various online petitions and form letters have been available at nocasinogettysburg.org, which allow people to register multiple times under fictitious names and addresses without verifying their accuracy. “Once again, we’re proud to stand with the clear majority of 102,000 Adams County residents who support this project based on facts,” La Torre said. “Pennsylvania’s gaming industry has created more than 12,000 jobs and pumped millions of dollars into local economies during one of the worst economic recessions in history. Mason-Dixon is going to be a tremendous asset in helping Adams County reverse its highest unemployment rate since 1984.” Very interesting, any chance those petitions will be throw out? If so, perhaps that will show that there is no OVERWHELMING opposition to this issue, or does is show that NCG and those supporting them are not as bright as they think they are? Now just need to prove that Mason Dixon is the best of the four.
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Post by SpellChecker on Oct 28, 2010 15:13:35 GMT -5
Bill,
From reading that it mentions PA state law on petitions. So if they don't fall with in the state law I don't see how the PGCB could consider them.
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Post by Fire Marshal Bill on Oct 28, 2010 15:19:16 GMT -5
Bill, From reading that it mentions PA state law on petitions. So if they don't fall with in the state law I don't see how the PGCB could consider them. Sounds good, but kind of like a lawyer asking question in court that he knows will be objected to and the objections sustained, the question is still out there and the jury still heard it. But as I said our big challenge now is to convince the board that Mason Dixon is the best option for the last license.
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Post by SFP on Nov 4, 2010 22:36:22 GMT -5
Well, I hate to break your bubble regarding the petitions being valid, but you may want to check out this article regarding their validity. www.eveningsun.com/ci_16460073The relevant information regarding their validity would be the statement in the article given by Doug Harbach of the PGCB. If you don't want to read the entire article, here is the section I'm referring to: "The bottom line here is our opposition is essentially saying here is a bunch of petitions, trust us they're accurate," La Torre said. He also noted that legally binding petitions must, under state law, include an individual's printed name, signature, address of residence, including street and number, as well as the date. While such information is required for things like nominating petitions for public office, the Gaming Control Board doesn't hold to such restrictions. "It would be incorrect to compare the petitions submitted to the Board in licensing matters (which amount to public comment) versus those that must follow specific guidelines to support a legal obligation (i.e. those petitions used to gain a place on a ballot). The petitions we are receiving are a separate piece of evidence and it is up to each Board member's discretion as to how that evidence will be weighed against other evidence," stated board spokesman Doug Harbach in an e-mail. That being said, now you know how the PGCB can consider them - just like the last time.
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Post by lifesaver on Nov 5, 2010 0:22:55 GMT -5
Well, I hate to break your bubble regarding the petitions being valid, but you may want to check out this article regarding their validity. www.eveningsun.com/ci_16460073The relevant information regarding their validity would be the statement in the article given by Doug Harbach of the PGCB. If you don't want to read the entire article, here is the section I'm referring to: "The bottom line here is our opposition is essentially saying here is a bunch of petitions, trust us they're accurate," La Torre said. He also noted that legally binding petitions must, under state law, include an individual's printed name, signature, address of residence, including street and number, as well as the date. While such information is required for things like nominating petitions for public office, the Gaming Control Board doesn't hold to such restrictions. "It would be incorrect to compare the petitions submitted to the Board in licensing matters (which amount to public comment) versus those that must follow specific guidelines to support a legal obligation (i.e. those petitions used to gain a place on a ballot). The petitions we are receiving are a separate piece of evidence and it is up to each Board member's discretion as to how that evidence will be weighed against other evidence," stated board spokesman Doug Harbach in an e-mail. That being said, now you know how the PGCB can consider them - just like the last time. And each board member's "discretion" could be to take those questionable petitions and place them in a big pile marked "don't mean anything."
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Post by SpellChecker on Nov 5, 2010 7:33:47 GMT -5
Either way the PGCB is aware of what Latorre was pointing out.
Thumbing your nose here and saying haha they are going to accept petitions from mickey mouse doesn't mean NCG isn't fraudantly turning in petitions. If youre proud of that well then fine.
Quick question Sal. Are you ok with NCG turning in false petitions? Or are you ok with it because it's your side and what ever it takes to win would be ok with you?
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Post by lifesaver on Nov 5, 2010 10:12:12 GMT -5
Well, I hate to break your bubble regarding the petitions being valid, but you may want to check out this article regarding their validity. www.eveningsun.com/ci_16460073While such information is required for things like nominating petitions for public office, the Gaming Control Board doesn't hold to such restrictions. "It would be incorrect to compare the petitions submitted to the Board in licensing matters (which amount to public comment) versus those that must follow specific guidelines to support a legal obligation (i.e. those petitions used to gain a place on a ballot). The petitions we are receiving are a separate piece of evidence and it is up to each Board member's discretion as to how that evidence will be weighed against other evidence," stated board spokesman Doug Harbach in an e-mail. That being said, now you know how the PGCB can consider them - just like the last time. And each board member's "discretion" could be to take those questionable petitions and place them in a big pile marked "don't mean anything." And I also see that NCG is so starved for any shred of credibility to their cause that they don't realize a public spokesperson's non comment when they see it.
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Post by SFP on Nov 5, 2010 11:25:30 GMT -5
Either way the PGCB is aware of what Latorre was pointing out. Thumbing your nose here and saying haha they are going to accept petitions from mickey mouse doesn't mean NCG isn't fraudantly turning in petitions. If youre proud of that well then fine. Quick question Sal. Are you ok with NCG turning in false petitions? Or are you ok with it because it's your side and what ever it takes to win would be ok with you? Thats a really stupid question Ron - so I'll let you figure out the answer - you seem to have them all in your head anyway. Still waiting on those big blockbuster announcements you were coming out with - oh what 5-6 months ago?
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Post by SFP on Nov 5, 2010 11:29:36 GMT -5
And each board member's "discretion" could be to take those questionable petitions and place them in a big pile marked "don't mean anything." And I also see that NCG is so starved for any shred of credibility to their cause that they don't realize a public spokesperson's non comment when they see it. Lifesaver - history shows that the last time, some of them at least did indeed consider them - it was even mentioned in their statement of having turned down the last application. Regarding their spokesperson, I thought he made a definitive comment - otherwise, he would have said no comment. Spin it however you wish to interpret it, but it says what it says.
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Post by lifesaver on Nov 5, 2010 12:06:05 GMT -5
And I also see that NCG is so starved for any shred of credibility to their cause that they don't realize a public spokesperson's non comment when they see it. Lifesaver - history shows that the last time, some of them at least did indeed consider them - it was even mentioned in their statement of having turned down the last application. Regarding their spokesperson, I thought he made a definitive comment - otherwise, he would have said no comment. Spin it however you wish to interpret it, but it says what it says. And I think you spun it the way you wanted it to be spun. I think it was a carefully crafted statement to say nothing but everything. Like I said, all those questionable petitions could be put in a big pile and marked "mean nothing". And you have no way of knowing that the same thing wasn't done the last time with all those invalid petitions. And even if the opposition was mentioned in the statement denying the last proposal (which I have seen some comments which questions that), the overwhelming local support for the proposal was not there the last time either. That was 2006, this is now. Times have changed. I personally think that Mason Dixon has as good as chance as any of the other three.
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Post by SpellChecker on Nov 5, 2010 13:13:12 GMT -5
Sal,
From reading your posts on this it sure seems you have the atitude that you could care less if there are petitions that are bogus as long as the PGCB sees them and say's oh gee golly look xxx number of people signed a petiton.
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Post by SFP on Nov 5, 2010 20:21:11 GMT -5
Lifesaver - history shows that the last time, some of them at least did indeed consider them - it was even mentioned in their statement of having turned down the last application. Regarding their spokesperson, I thought he made a definitive comment - otherwise, he would have said no comment. Spin it however you wish to interpret it, but it says what it says. And I think you spun it the way you wanted it to be spun. I think it was a carefully crafted statement to say nothing but everything. Like I said, all those questionable petitions could be put in a big pile and marked "mean nothing". And you have no way of knowing that the same thing wasn't done the last time with all those invalid petitions. And even if the opposition was mentioned in the statement denying the last proposal (which I have seen some comments which questions that), the overwhelming local support for the proposal was not there the last time either. That was 2006, this is now. Times have changed. I personally think that Mason Dixon has as good as chance as any of the other three. Ok lifesaver - you are entitled to your opinion of the chances MD will be awarded the license as well as I'm entitled to mine that they will be denied again this time around - no argument. You can read the statment one way, and I see it another - but what he did NOT say was that they were INVALID - which is what Mr. LaTorre was trying to have happen. As for statements you saw that question whether the board mentioned the opposition the last time around - here is what I'm referring to from their report the last time - there was a lot more to it than this, but this is just the portion that mentions the opposition being part of their consideration - I'm not saying it was the only reason it was turned down, but it was a contributory factor - at least thats their statement says: ...However, in the comparative setting to which these licenses are subject, the Board finds that the economic benefit of Crossroads and Tropicana, given the smaller economic commitments, likely will not be as significant as the benefits which will occur by virtue of the larger commitments and the spin-off business associated therewith of the Mount Airy, Sands Bethworks and Pocono Manor projects. This again is a factor which the Board weighs in favor of those applicants... ...Opposition was strongest in relation to the proximity of the casino to the historic Gettysburg battlefield areas and the effect the casino would have on the traditionally rural nature of the community. Section 1102(10) of the Act instructs that “the public interest of the citizens of this Commonwealth and the social effect of gaming shall be taken into consideration in any decision or order made.” While the Board duly noted and considered the degree and proportion of public opposition, the Board’s decision was not based solely on this factor. If you do the math - 3,000 signatures does not seem to be overwhelming local support in a county of what, about 90,000 to 100,000?. As for Ron's last comment - nice try putting words in my mouth, but no - I'd not condone submitting bogus signatures under any circumstances. In fact, I know the couple of hundred I was involved in getting signed were all real.
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Post by Alex Oreilly on Nov 5, 2010 20:58:36 GMT -5
How many local people have signed your petition Sal?
And when you present something to a Board, why would you not want to make sure everything is accurate.
As far as Mason-Dixon goes in submitting their plans to the Gaming Board, did you ever stop and think that maybe they gave them more then one plan to look at?
And nobody from PCAC, tried to get Violet fired, but the question that was raised is that does the college that she is working for know that she uses their name when she is giving her speeches and do that they approve of this, completely different from Scott or Mrs. Mcknight calling Jeff's military unit, telling them he is doing things in his uniform, that he never did.
PCAC, has always taken the high road and went about doing tis the right way, and I know want your going to say your going to say what about Coke, well, here it is again, Sal, we had the local coke support, they were they first ones we asked because that is who we got the product from, so there was no need to go any further.
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Post by jhunter on Nov 5, 2010 21:48:52 GMT -5
since when did the Hanover Sun have any validity? Pudente and Charisse have been an unofficial supporter of NCG since this project was proposed. Well, I hate to break your bubble regarding the petitions being valid, but you may want to check out this article regarding their validity. The relevant information regarding their validity would be the statement in the article given by Doug Harbach of the PGCB. If you don't want to read the entire article, here is the section I'm referring to: "The bottom line here is our opposition is essentially saying here is a bunch of petitions, trust us they're accurate," La Torre said. He also noted that legally binding petitions must, under state law, include an individual's printed name, signature, address of residence, including street and number, as well as the date. While such information is required for things like nominating petitions for public office, the Gaming Control Board doesn't hold to such restrictions. "It would be incorrect to compare the petitions submitted to the Board in licensing matters (which amount to public comment) versus those that must follow specific guidelines to support a legal obligation (i.e. those petitions used to gain a place on a ballot). The petitions we are receiving are a separate piece of evidence and it is up to each Board member's discretion as to how that evidence will be weighed against other evidence," stated board spokesman Doug Harbach in an e-mail. That being said, now you know how the PGCB can consider them - just like the last time.
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Post by SpellChecker on Nov 5, 2010 22:19:06 GMT -5
what I don't understand is, the PGCB is a state agency why would they not be using the states laws on petitions?
If this is the case then why didn't MD just forge a million signatures and use a fork lift to haul them into Harrisburg. Of corse I do understand why they didn't take that road but I mean come on it's kinda rediculous for them accept petitions from either side when they are blatantly false.
Looking at those guide lines they seem pretty simple so if someone couldnt fill out a petition in that simple manner why should they be considered.
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Post by lifesaver on Nov 6, 2010 7:27:10 GMT -5
what I don't understand is, the PGCB is a state agency why would they not be using the states laws on petitions? If this is the case then why didn't MD just forge a million signatures and use a fork lift to haul them into Harrisburg. Of corse I do understand why they didn't take that road but I mean come on it's kinda rediculous for them accept petitions from either side when they are blatantly false. Looking at those guide lines they seem pretty simple so if someone couldnt fill out a petition in that simple manner why should they be considered. I don't think they will spellchecker. I think they just made a patronizing non-statement so NCG wouldn't be crawling up their ass with yet again another ridiculous claim.
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Post by lifesaver on Nov 6, 2010 7:45:24 GMT -5
And I think you spun it the way you wanted it to be spun. I think it was a carefully crafted statement to say nothing but everything. Like I said, all those questionable petitions could be put in a big pile and marked "mean nothing". And you have no way of knowing that the same thing wasn't done the last time with all those invalid petitions. And even if the opposition was mentioned in the statement denying the last proposal (which I have seen some comments which questions that), the overwhelming local support for the proposal was not there the last time either. That was 2006, this is now. Times have changed. I personally think that Mason Dixon has as good as chance as any of the other three. Ok lifesaver - you are entitled to your opinion of the chances MD will be awarded the license as well as I'm entitled to mine that they will be denied again this time around - no argument. You can read the statment one way, and I see it another - but what he did NOT say was that they were INVALID - which is what Mr. LaTorre was trying to have happen. As for statements you saw that question whether the board mentioned the opposition the last time around - here is what I'm referring to from their report the last time - there was a lot more to it than this, but this is just the portion that mentions the opposition being part of their consideration - I'm not saying it was the only reason it was turned down, but it was a contributory factor - at least thats their statement says: ...However, in the comparative setting to which these licenses are subject, the Board finds that the economic benefit of Crossroads and Tropicana, given the smaller economic commitments, likely will not be as significant as the benefits which will occur by virtue of the larger commitments and the spin-off business associated therewith of the Mount Airy, Sands Bethworks and Pocono Manor projects. This again is a factor which the Board weighs in favor of those applicants... ...Opposition was strongest in relation to the proximity of the casino to the historic Gettysburg battlefield areas and the effect the casino would have on the traditionally rural nature of the community. Section 1102(10) of the Act instructs that “the public interest of the citizens of this Commonwealth and the social effect of gaming shall be taken into consideration in any decision or order made.” While the Board duly noted and considered the degree and proportion of public opposition, the Board’s decision was not based solely on this factor. If you do the math - 3,000 signatures does not seem to be overwhelming local support in a county of what, about 90,000 to 100,000?. As for Ron's last comment - nice try putting words in my mouth, but no - I'd not condone submitting bogus signatures under any circumstances. In fact, I know the couple of hundred I was involved in getting signed were all real. My thoughts: Different economic times, different circumstances, different venue, and a large amount of local and business support. Large amount of local support sways the "public interest" in a positive direction for MD this time around. Let's see, since you believe Gettysburg belongs to everyone, the nation and the world, even assuming that all of your 41000 signatures were valid, the population of the world is around 7 billion now, and the population of the US 350 million. Our 3000 local signatures are a slam dunk if you're figuring the odds.
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Post by jhunter on Nov 6, 2010 9:41:56 GMT -5
Let's see, since you believe Gettysburg belongs to everyone, the nation and the world... i always find it comical when No Casino Gettysburg supporters claim that Gettysburg belongs to them, and the nation and world. as a Gettysburg resident, and specifically a Cumberland Twp property owner, I actually live and pay taxes here. maybe the NCG crowd has missed the articles in the Gettysburg Times this past month, about gettysburg borough council and cumberland township supervisors and their budget woes. the boro has the highest tax rate in the county, and cumberland is strugglign to balance it's budget without raising taxes. is the NCG crowd, all 41 thosuand signatures and their millions of friends on facebook, going to send donations to Cumberland Township so my taxes don't go up? I'd really appreciate it. THE FACT is this: the majority of LOCAL RESIDENTS support this project. Ask Terry Maddonna. if you're not from here, then STAY OUT OF IT, please.
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Post by gburgbaseballmom on Nov 6, 2010 10:12:22 GMT -5
Let's see, since you believe Gettysburg belongs to everyone, the nation and the world... i always find it comical when No Casino Gettysburg supporters claim that Gettysburg belongs to them, and the nation and world. as a Gettysburg resident, and specifically a Cumberland Twp property owner, I actually live and pay taxes here. maybe the NCG crowd has missed the articles in the Gettysburg Times this past month, about gettysburg borough council and cumberland township supervisors and their budget woes. the boro has the highest tax rate in the county, and cumberland is strugglign to balance it's budget without raising taxes. is the NCG crowd, all 41 thosuand signatures and their millions of friends on facebook, going to send donations to Cumberland Township so my taxes don't go up? I'd really appreciate it. THE FACT is this: the majority of LOCAL RESIDENTS support this project. Ask Terry Maddonna. if you're not from here, then STAY OUT OF IT, please. Amen! Shut up or send a check!
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Post by HoneyBadger on Nov 6, 2010 12:17:03 GMT -5
This has become almost a joke now. It seems that - aside from the NCG site which some of us can't access - Sal has become the spokesperson for the Hounds of Hell.
How many local people did sign the petition? Your people should have that count.
Why didn't your people make an effort to ensure that petitions were completed correctly? Were you more concerned with numbers than with accuracy and completeness?
No Casino has gone out of their way to discredit and disparage everyone involved in the casino issue and that includes supporters and volunteers.
PCAC has been above board and hasn't pulled any dirty tricks to in an effort to damage anyone. Don't bother bringing up the stuff about Violet - she has her own methods of attack and she uses them quite well.
Sal said that he didn't want a casino to explain his involvement with NCG. I believe that but I also believe that he supports all NCG tactics 100%.
Pennsylvania law may say that the petitions are acceptable but I hope that the board looks beyond a pile of incomplete, bogus petitions and sees the truth to this - local residents support the casino this time. We want it, we need it and we went about winning the boards approval in a legal and honest way.
Say that with a straight face Sal.
Bottom line - land outside of the park boundaries is OUR land - it belongs to local people and we want to use it as the law allows.
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Post by lifesaver on Nov 6, 2010 16:42:23 GMT -5
This has become almost a joke now. It seems that - aside from the NCG site which some of us can't access - Sal has become the spokesperson for the Hounds of Hell. How many local people did sign the petition? Your people should have that count. Why didn't your people make an effort to ensure that petitions were completed correctly? Were you more concerned with numbers than with accuracy and completeness? No Casino has gone out of their way to discredit and disparage everyone involved in the casino issue and that includes supporters and volunteers. PCAC has been above board and hasn't pulled any dirty tricks to in an effort to damage anyone. Don't bother bringing up the stuff about Violet - she has her own methods of attack and she uses them quite well. Sal said that he didn't want a casino to explain his involvement with NCG. I believe that but I also believe that he supports all NCG tactics 100%. Pennsylvania law may say that the petitions are acceptable but I hope that the board looks beyond a pile of incomplete, bogus petitions and sees the truth to this - local residents support the casino this time. We want it, we need it and we went about winning the boards approval in a legal and honest way. Say that with a straight face Sal. Bottom line - land outside of the park boundaries is OUR land - it belongs to local people and we want to use it as the law allows. Couldn't have said it better
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Post by rock on Nov 7, 2010 22:30:19 GMT -5
NCG and all always say the "last time" well the last time there wasn't as many locals on board with this as there are now and I'm sure there are more valid petitions signed sealed and delivered this time.
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Post by Alex Oreilly on Nov 8, 2010 15:00:47 GMT -5
I agree with you FormerT and Liversaver.
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Post by HoneyBadger on Nov 8, 2010 16:21:39 GMT -5
I agree with you FormerT and Liversaver. Thanks but your questions prompted me to ask questions. It's curious to me that some of the most prolific posters on Topix haven't joined this site in order to educate us with their wisdom or to attack us with their quick judgments. They don't seem to mind taking hits from Pros on that site but they won't come to the BV lair. We can't hurt them. But they just send Sal - one warrior - to do battle. Sometimes I wonder if he really believes what he's saying or if the lies are so deeply embedded in his mind that he doesn't know truth from fiction any longer.
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