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Post by orrtannaoracle on Mar 26, 2011 5:18:50 GMT -5
wow that is some deep stuff, I don't even know where to start my rebuttal. Liberalism is a new concept, you are right. But that is just if you are looking at it as a concept that began with Marx. This county, though was founded on some concepts that are looked at now a days as 'liberal"becaue you can tie them into what marx was getting at with his phisosophy. Our country was actually founded on masonic philosophty, which you Mr. C. should be familiar with since it is considered a libertarian phosophy. Long before they founded our country, they created a "brotherhood of equality". The first ever democracies were within Mason lodges where all members had an equal vote in choosing representatives. Without delving deeper into their philosophies, im just gonna say the "every man for himself" "may the best ideas of the best man make HIM prosper" actually deviate from this philosophy. the Ideals of capitalism were founded in this country within our country's lifetime. The every man should be treated as an equal philosophy came waaaay before that. However, it is capitalism that is the tool to guarantee liberty, independence and freedom. They knew that if man was able to earn as much as he was willing to strive for, he would truly be without the need for government. Liberalism, as we know it today, has known that and, therefore, has created programs that would create dependency on government. They have also punished success with out tax (sic) system... More on this later. Gene and I are going to get Chinese food. I hope your food went down better than your various screeds about what's wrong with the good old USofA did with me after I read this disjointed collection of neo-con claptrap. You sound as if you just fell out of Rushbo's jockey shorts, or perhaps they were Beck's? There have been times in this nation's history that you, and those vaunted political opinionators whose litany you adhere to, would have been subjected to sedition statutes, if not treason. Quite frankly, we ought to bring them back. Openly stating that the GOP's primary political goal is to defeat BHO in 2012 certainly does a lot to solve the nation's current problems, doesn't it? Oh, those millions of laid-off, fired or underemployed workers - don't worry, we'll restore jobs if we make sure we cut the nation's revenues. Just trust us. Anyone who thought Pat Toomey was the answer will soon find out that he doesn't give a spit about your employment, only the GOP's control over our lives through statutes such as the Patriot Act interest that stooge. Capitalism is the answer, eh? The Street did the country so proud back in 2007 -08, right? Unfettered greed with no interest at all in the possible results on the nation's economy - and then they cried to the Feds for fiscal assistance when their schemes blew up. That's capitalism? BTW: look at how much $$$ was committed by the Feds for that program before BHO took office. Oh, I forgot - the new neo-con mantra is that Shrub and his cronies didn't really have the correct view of life either so they didn't really represent the "true" GOP party. "They have also punished success with out (sic) tax system..." Gee, I guess that explains why the NY Times yesterday wrote an article detailing why poor, old GE not only completely dodged having to pay any taxes for 2010, the Feds actually owe them $3.2B in credits. Best tax law firm money can buy currently works at GEI'm sure we can all sympathize with those down-trodden executives and shareholders at GE as they waste away in their poverty. Top rate on corporate taxes is 35% - they paid ZERO!!! Capisce? How about those poor employees, executives and investors at the various oil companies whose compensation just isn't what it used to be - it's greater?! BTW: congratulations on your various spellings of philosophy. You might want to contract out as a ghost writer for Spell Checker when he's run out of words to describe his current state of mind.  The Masonic underpinnings of our country? I want to hear your explanation of the Southern Masons who owned slaves and how those politicians stood tall for the equality of all men. No doubt many of them were Masons but their record hardly shines with regard to those who are not white male Protestants. Perhaps your philosophy might swing the day at the G.O. but I wouldn't try it in public where there might be people who haven't been drinking and have some wider experience than you apparently have.  This is not an attempt to defend the current administration - they've been proven to be too inexperienced to take on the task. But McCain/Palin is an even scarier thought to me. And some of the GOP 2012 contenders should have their cranial capacity checked to see if any brains remain in there. Newt (Mr. Marital Fidelity) and Santorum (I really need some gainful employment)? C'mon, they're among the best you've got?  I wouldn't elect Sen. Rick to be my garbage man - wait a minute, I withdraw that statement. He's been shoveling so much crap since he appeared he's got more than enough experience to drive a truck for Waste Management. |
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Post by orrtannaoracle on Mar 26, 2011 5:19:49 GMT -5
wow that is some deep stuff, I don't even know where to start my rebuttal. Liberalism is a new concept, you are right. But that is just if you are looking at it as a concept that began with Marx. This county, though was founded on some concepts that are looked at now a days as 'liberal"becaue you can tie them into what marx was getting at with his phisosophy. Our country was actually founded on masonic philosophty, which you Mr. C. should be familiar with since it is considered a libertarian phosophy. Long before they founded our country, they created a "brotherhood of equality". The first ever democracies were within Mason lodges where all members had an equal vote in choosing representatives. Without delving deeper into their philosophies, im just gonna say the "every man for himself" "may the best ideas of the best man make HIM prosper" actually deviate from this philosophy. the Ideals of capitalism were founded in this country within our country's lifetime. The every man should be treated as an equal philosophy came waaaay before that. However, it is capitalism that is the tool to guarantee liberty, independence and freedom. They knew that if man was able to earn as much as he was willing to strive for, he would truly be without the need for government. Liberalism, as we know it today, has known that and, therefore, has created programs that would create dependency on government. They have also punished success with out tax (sic) system... More on this later. Gene and I are going to get Chinese food. I hope your food went down better than your various screeds about what's wrong with the good old USofA did with me after I read this disjointed collection of neo-con claptrap. You sound as if you just fell out of Rushbo's jockey shorts, or perhaps they were Beck's? There have been times in this nation's history that you, and those vaunted political opinionators whose litany you adhere to, would have been subjected to sedition statutes, if not treason. Quite frankly, we ought to bring them back. Openly stating that the GOP's primary political goal is to defeat BHO in 2012 certainly does a lot to solve the nation's current problems, doesn't it? Oh, those millions of laid-off, fired or underemployed workers - don't worry, we'll restore jobs if we make sure we cut the nation's revenues. Just trust us. Anyone who thought Pat Toomey was the answer will soon find out that he doesn't give a spit about your employment, only the GOP's control over our lives through statutes such as the Patriot Act interest that stooge. Capitalism is the answer, eh? The Street did the country so proud back in 2007 -08, right? Unfettered greed with no interest at all in the possible results on the nation's economy - and then they cried to the Feds for fiscal assistance when their schemes blew up. That's capitalism? BTW: look at how much $$$ was committed by the Feds for that program before BHO took office. Oh, I forgot - the new neo-con mantra is that Shrub and his cronies didn't really have the correct view of life either so they didn't really represent the "true" GOP party. "They have also punished success with out (sic) tax system..." Gee, I guess that explains why the NY Times yesterday wrote an article detailing why poor, old GE not only completely dodged having to pay any taxes for 2010, the Feds actually owe them $3.2B in credits. Best tax law firm money can buy currently works at GEI'm sure we can all sympathize with those down-trodden executives and shareholders at GE as they waste away in their poverty. Top rate on corporate taxes is 35% - they paid ZERO!!! Capisce? And then there are the poor souls and investors at the various oil companies whose compensation just isn't what it used to be - it's greater! BTW: congratulations on your various spellings of philosophy. You might want to contract out as a ghost writer for Spell Checker when he's run out of words to describe his current state of mind. The Masonic underpinnings of our country? I want to hear your explanation of the Southern Masons who owned slaves and how those politicians stood tall for the equality of all men. No doubt many of them were Masons but their record hardly shines with regard to those who are not white male Protestants. Perhaps your philosophy might swing the day at the G.O. but I wouldn't try it in public where there might be people who haven't been drinking and have some wider experience than you apparently have. This is not an attempt to defend the current administration - they've been proven to be too inexperienced to take on the task. But McCain/Palin is an even scarier thought to me. And some of the GOP 2012 contenders should have their cranial capacity checked to see if any brains remain in there. Newt (Mr. Marital Fidelity) and Santorum (I really need some gainful employment)? C'mon, they're among the best you've got? I wouldn't elect Sen. Rick to be my garbage man - wait a minute, I withdraw that statement. He's been shoveling so much crap since he appeared he's got more than enough experience to drive a truck for Waste Management. |
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Post by dspitz17325 on Mar 26, 2011 6:49:54 GMT -5
I must say this about Obama he has done something no other President before him did , he declared war on a country that in NO WAY THREATENED us and he did it without the approval of the Congress if Bush did that they would have hung him for treason . The US Constitution states the President can not start any war without Congress voting on it first even Roosevelt had to wait till Congress gave the OK to go war with Japan after they attacked our country FIRST , and Lybia did nothing but try to quash a rebellion . I am not saying he was wrong but the laws are there for a reason and he purposely broke them , to see if he could get away with it . How much more of his lack of respect for this country and our Constitution how long are we to tolerate this before we say ENOUGH .And the worse part is with our judgment in the past by backing the wrong horse ,why would we think the rebels will put a stable person to run that country we must stop interfering with the world and maybe worry about our own Country .Benjamin Harrison said these words and we still haven't learned from them "WE AS AMERICANS HAVE NO COMMISSION FROM GOD TO POLICE THE WORLD " . I'm annoyed with Obama myself over this Libya deal but be honest about Iraq please. Iraq posed absolutely no threat whatsoever to the U.S. but Bush - using lies and bullshit - started a freaking war. This recent trouble started in Egypt, spread to Libya and is going on to Syria and other countries. No way is Obama going to be able to screw up more than he's done so far. I say let them kill each other and then we can take on the winners because they're the ones we'll have to fear. You know i have always belived that Iraq was started for two reasons we needed to clean up our own messes (WE PUT THAT NUT-JOB IN POWER) oh and the second oil .We helped Iraq in the late 1970s for one reason they could keep Iran under control and now the loon is gone who are we worried about Iran . Oh but most importantly CONGRESS voted to declare war on Iraq not Bush by himself, he would have been impeached and than hung if he declared war on a country without Congresses stamp of approval . |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Mar 26, 2011 10:11:50 GMT -5
I hope your food went down better than your various screeds about what's wrong with the good old USofA did with me after I read this disjointed collection of neo-con claptrap. You sound as if you just fell out of Rushbo's jockey shorts, or perhaps they were Beck's? There have been times in this nation's history that you, and those vaunted political opinionators whose litany you adhere to, would have been subjected to sedition statutes, if not treason. Quite frankly, we ought to bring them back. Openly stating that the GOP's primary political goal is to defeat BHO in 2012 certainly does a lot to solve the nation's current problems, doesn't it? Oh, those millions of laid-off, fired or underemployed workers - don't worry, we'll restore jobs if we make sure we cut the nation's revenues. Just trust us. Anyone who thought Pat Toomey was the answer will soon find out that he doesn't give a spit about your employment, only the GOP's control over our lives through statutes such as the Patriot Act interest that stooge. Capitalism is the answer, eh? The Street did the country so proud back in 2007 -08, right? Unfettered greed with no interest at all in the possible results on the nation's economy - and then they cried to the Feds for fiscal assistance when their schemes blew up. That's capitalism? BTW: look at how much $$$ was committed by the Feds for that program before BHO took office. Oh, I forgot - the new neo-con mantra is that Shrub and his cronies didn't really have the correct view of life either so they didn't really represent the "true" GOP party. "They have also punished success with out (sic) tax system..." Gee, I guess that explains why the NY Times yesterday wrote an article detailing why poor, old GE not only completely dodged having to pay any taxes for 2010, the Feds actually owe them $3.2B in credits. Best tax law firm money can buy currently works at GEI'm sure we can all sympathize with those down-trodden executives and shareholders at GE as they waste away in their poverty. Top rate on corporate taxes is 35% - they paid ZERO!!! Capisce? And then there are the poor souls and investors at the various oil companies whose compensation just isn't what it used to be - it's greater! BTW: congratulations on your various spellings of philosophy. You might want to contract out as a ghost writer for Spell Checker when he's run out of words to describe his current state of mind. The Masonic underpinnings of our country? I want to hear your explanation of the Southern Masons who owned slaves and how those politicians stood tall for the equality of all men. No doubt many of them were Masons but their record hardly shines with regard to those who are not white male Protestants. Perhaps your philosophy might swing the day at the G.O. but I wouldn't try it in public where there might be people who haven't been drinking and have some wider experience than you apparently have. This is not an attempt to defend the current administration - they've been proven to be too inexperienced to take on the task. But McCain/Palin is an even scarier thought to me. And some of the GOP 2012 contenders should have their cranial capacity checked to see if any brains remain in there. Newt (Mr. Marital Fidelity) and Santorum (I really need some gainful employment)? C'mon, they're among the best you've got? I wouldn't elect Sen. Rick to be my garbage man - wait a minute, I withdraw that statement. He's been shoveling so much crap since he appeared he's got more than enough experience to drive a truck for Waste Management. Oracle, wish I had said some of that. By the way, it was a pleasure to meet you this morning. P.S. I love Matt dearly and I should never touch politics out of respect for our friendship. I don't know history the way any of you know history. I probably slept through class. |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Mar 26, 2011 10:19:08 GMT -5
I'm annoyed with Obama myself over this Libya deal but be honest about Iraq please. Iraq posed absolutely no threat whatsoever to the U.S. but Bush - using lies and bullshit - started a freaking war. This recent trouble started in Egypt, spread to Libya and is going on to Syria and other countries. No way is Obama going to be able to screw up more than he's done so far. I say let them kill each other and then we can take on the winners because they're the ones we'll have to fear. You know i have always belived that Iraq was started for two reasons we needed to clean up our own messes (WE PUT THAT NUT-JOB IN POWER) oh and the second oil .We helped Iraq in the late 1970s for one reason they could keep Iran under control and now the loon is gone who are we worried about Iran . Oh but most importantly CONGRESS voted to declare war on Iraq not Bush by himself, he would have been impeached and than hung if he declared war on a country without Congresses stamp of approval . Don't say "we" my dear friend. I had no part of putting him in power. You're right though about Iran. Now Saddam is gone and while he was a murderous thug by and large life was better for Iranians then than now. More importantly, Iran was controlled to an extent because they didn't know that Saddam was a liar. Yes, I know about Saddam's death squads but they're still there. Unfortunately, I believe that they're bin Laden death squads now. Obama did not declare war on Libya. NATO - remember NATO. |
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Post by poindexter on Mar 26, 2011 12:09:11 GMT -5
This has got be be a record. I have never seen so much bullshit packed into one on-line post. I smelled it wafting from my screen before I even opened the thread. Bravo Matt...... Takes a bullshitter to know a bullshitter. But, seriously, explain how what I said is bull. And back it up. Don't just repeat moveon.org bumper stickers Matt I promise I wont just repeat moveon.org bumper stickers. Can you promise to not just repeat Limbaugh/Beck/Savage talking points? And I'm curious Matt....should I consider myself an Asshole with a capital A or just a plain old lower case asshole? I'm just confused on this whole capitalization thingy... And speaking of Capitalization or capitalization...everybody do yourself a favor and type "record profits" into your google search bar. Seems the old trickle down theory is only working at half power...profits and cash on hand at record levels while investment in job creation at lowest point ever. Maybe the upper 2% and corporations need a little more relief... Oh, and bravo Oracle...(without sarcasm) |
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Post by dspitz17325 on Mar 26, 2011 12:21:22 GMT -5
You know i have always belived that Iraq was started for two reasons we needed to clean up our own messes (WE PUT THAT NUT-JOB IN POWER) oh and the second oil .We helped Iraq in the late 1970s for one reason they could keep Iran under control and now the loon is gone who are we worried about Iran . Oh but most importantly CONGRESS voted to declare war on Iraq not Bush by himself, he would have been impeached and than hung if he declared war on a country without Congresses stamp of approval . Don't say "we" my dear friend. I had no part of putting him in power. You're right though about Iran. Now Saddam is gone and while he was a murderous thug by and large life was better for Iranians then than now. More importantly, Iran was controlled to an extent because they didn't know that Saddam was a liar. Yes, I know about Saddam's death squads but they're still there. Unfortunately, I believe that they're bin Laden death squads now. Obama did not declare war on Libya. NATO - remember NATO. IT IS ALWAYS WE YOU REMEMBER WE THE PEOPLE i didn't vote for Obie but i say we elected him to office. |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Mar 26, 2011 16:38:06 GMT -5
Don't say "we" my dear friend. I had no part of putting him in power. You're right though about Iran. Now Saddam is gone and while he was a murderous thug by and large life was better for Iranians then than now. More importantly, Iran was controlled to an extent because they didn't know that Saddam was a liar. Yes, I know about Saddam's death squads but they're still there. Unfortunately, I believe that they're bin Laden death squads now. Obama did not declare war on Libya. NATO - remember NATO. IT IS ALWAYS WE YOU REMEMBER WE THE PEOPLE i didn't vote for Obie but i say we elected him to office. Whoops, sorry, I thought that you were referring to Bush. Yes, I accept my share of responsibility for electing Obama. Pardon my mistake. |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Mar 26, 2011 16:42:06 GMT -5
Takes a bullshitter to know a bullshitter. But, seriously, explain how what I said is bull. And back it up. Don't just repeat moveon.org bumper stickers Matt I promise I wont just repeat moveon.org bumper stickers. Can you promise to not just repeat Limbaugh/Beck/Savage talking points? And I'm curious Matt....should I consider myself an Asshole with a capital A or just a plain old lower case asshole? I'm just confused on this whole capitalization thingy... And speaking of Capitalization or capitalization...everybody do yourself a favor and type "record profits" into your google search bar. Seems the old trickle down theory is only working at half power...profits and cash on hand at record levels while investment in job creation at lowest point ever. Maybe the upper 2% and corporations need a little more relief... Oh, and bravo Oracle...(without sarcasm) You know, poindexter, aside from being incredibly handsome you also tickle my funny bone. I like you. Of course, if you are a woman with a great sense of humor - I'm referring only to your good-looking avatar when I mention handsome. |
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Post by poindexter on Mar 27, 2011 11:39:26 GMT -5
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Post by poindexter on Mar 27, 2011 11:41:30 GMT -5
Matt I promise I wont just repeat moveon.org bumper stickers. Can you promise to not just repeat Limbaugh/Beck/Savage talking points? And I'm curious Matt....should I consider myself an Asshole with a capital A or just a plain old lower case asshole? I'm just confused on this whole capitalization thingy... And speaking of Capitalization or capitalization...everybody do yourself a favor and type "record profits" into your google search bar. Seems the old trickle down theory is only working at half power...profits and cash on hand at record levels while investment in job creation at lowest point ever. Maybe the upper 2% and corporations need a little more relief... Oh, and bravo Oracle...(without sarcasm) You know, poindexter, aside from being incredibly handsome you also tickle my funny bone. I like you. Of course, if you are a woman with a great sense of humor - I'm referring only to your good-looking avatar when I mention handsome. Townie...now I'm blushing. I must admit I don't really know what my avatar looks like...I can't see a damn thing with these glasses...and these are my new pair! |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Mar 27, 2011 19:45:34 GMT -5
Thought this was amusing and perhaps appropriate for us here... I logged in just to read the chart. It is perfection. Thank you. |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Mar 27, 2011 19:47:22 GMT -5
Gee, I don't know how to feel. Has Obama been privy to this no tax-paying info or is he learning about it via the press? |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Mar 27, 2011 19:53:06 GMT -5
You know, poindexter, aside from being incredibly handsome you also tickle my funny bone. I like you. Of course, if you are a woman with a great sense of humor - I'm referring only to your good-looking avatar when I mention handsome. Townie...now I'm blushing. I must admit I don't really know what my avatar looks like...I can't see a damn thing with these glasses...and these are my new pair! I didn't intend to embarrass you - honestly. It's just that those glasses lend such an air of distinction to you and your smile is to die for. You'll adjust to your new glasses soon...and you'll wonder how the hell I escaped from my keepers. |
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Post by C.O. on Mar 30, 2011 3:27:44 GMT -5
What does orrtannaoracle mean? Maybe if I understand that, I'll understand a damn word he said. Sorry, maybe thats "blogger" talk, I'm not a big blogger. Reminds me of Danny McBride in Tropic Thunder and his "boom boom" lingo. Any way...still waiting on the Liberal liberal difference.
Oh, and so we are at war wilth Lybia? How many lives have we lost so far?
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Post by djturnz on Mar 30, 2011 10:01:52 GMT -5
Come on guys, Obama isn't doing that bad. Really, how well did you do at your first job?
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Post by HoneyBadger on Mar 30, 2011 10:30:20 GMT -5
What does orrtannaoracle mean? Maybe if I understand that, I'll understand a damn word he said. Sorry, maybe thats "blogger" talk, I'm not a big blogger. Reminds me of Danny McBride in Tropic Thunder and his "boom boom" lingo. Any way...still waiting on the Liberal liberal difference. Oh, and so we are at war wilth Lybia? How many lives have we lost so far? He's defending folks like you and me. |
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Post by HoneyBadger on Mar 30, 2011 10:33:23 GMT -5
Come on guys, Obama isn't doing that bad. Really, how well did you do at your first job? I quit after just a few days. I quit several jobs in fact. I was a lousy waitress; working in the sewing factory was a nightmare, soldering things to other things and burning myself - I didn't last a week. |
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Post by orrtannaoracle on Mar 31, 2011 8:14:21 GMT -5
What does orrtannaoracle mean? Maybe if I understand that, I'll understand a damn word he said. I live in Orrtanna and I like alliteration - is that difficult to comprehend? I must admit, I rarely have had anyone claim that they didn't understand what I wrote. I will admit that your reference to Danny McBride and Tropic Thunder leaves me absolutely blank; I've no clue what you are talking about. |
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Post by MattC on Mar 31, 2011 8:43:44 GMT -5
Takes a bullshitter to know a bullshitter. But, seriously, explain how what I said is bull. And back it up. Don't just repeat moveon.org bumper stickers Matt I promise I wont just repeat moveon.org bumper stickers. Can you promise to not just repeat Limbaugh/Beck/Savage talking points? And I'm curious Matt....should I consider myself an Asshole with a capital A or just a plain old lower case asshole? I'm just confused on this whole capitalization thingy... And speaking of Capitalization or capitalization...everybody do yourself a favor and type "record profits" into your google search bar. Seems the old trickle down theory is only working at half power...profits and cash on hand at record levels while investment in job creation at lowest point ever. Maybe the upper 2% and corporations need a little more relief... Oh, and bravo Oracle...(without sarcasm) That would be a capital "A" and don't play dumb. You get the difference. You apparently listen to talk radio more than I do since you know their talking points. I have other things to do with my time than sit and listen to blabbing. I think we can better understand each other, or, at least I can better understand you, if you answer this one question. What is wrong with profits of any kind? |
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Post by MattC on Mar 31, 2011 9:23:16 GMT -5
What does orrtannaoracle mean? Maybe if I understand that, I'll understand a damn word he said. Sorry, maybe thats "blogger" talk, I'm not a big blogger. Reminds me of Danny McBride in Tropic Thunder and his "boom boom" lingo. Any way...still waiting on the Liberal liberal difference. Oh, and so we are at war wilth Lybia? How many lives have we lost so far? He's defending folks like you and me. This is funny, Townie. Let me start by saying Iraq proved to be a bad idea. We should just get the hell out and let the chips fall where they may. Having said that, let's look at the Left's arguments against going to Iraq and the accusations they hurled at Bush. they said it was a war for oil. Obama admitted that oil had something to do with Libya in his speech the other day. a while into the Iraq war, the Bushies started saying this was a humantarian effort to free the Iraqi people and give them democracy. The Left poo-pooed that idea. The majority of Obama's speech was trying to convince us that a humantarian effort was our duty and that's why we're there. the Left mocked the dozens of countries that were in Bush's coalition. Obama has less than or about a dozen and they are dropping like flies. Bush said invading Iraq will help keep us safe. He cited tons of evidence that Sadaam was a potential danger to us and a definite one to his own people. Much of that evidence was evidence that Clinton and his admin. cited when they were testing the waters at the end of his second term to do something in Iraq. That evidence was also provided by many foreign sources. Yet, the battle cry was Bush lied. Obama, presented us with no evidence except for touchy-feely crap 9 days after the invasion began. Bush spent months going to the U.N. all to no avail. He also went to Congress and got them to vote to allow the invasion. Yet the Left said he rushed to war and didn't go through the proper permission-seeking they would have liked him to. Obama ignored congress, save a few key players, and subordinated our military to the U.N. The Left always demanded a timeline for Iraq. When will we be out? What's our exit strategy? How do we define victory? The Obama administration has said we wouldn't be involved longer than a week. I recently heard Gates say that we might not be out of there before the end of the year. And how does this administration define victory there when we can't agree on an objective? It's to get Ghadaffi out. No, it's not. It's to protect the rebels. No, it's not. It's to cause regime change. Nope, not that either, it's anything you want it to be as long as you think we're doing a good job down here at the White House. And, anecdotally, I recall seeing an ad that I think Moveon.org released with Susan Sarandon saying "When I hear about invading Iraq, I think, What did the Iraqi people ever do to us?" The Iraqi people? I don't remember anyone saying anything about making war on the Iraqi people. I think Libya will prove to be more trouble than it's worth, especially since there have been reports in our government saying that the rebels are backed by al Quaida. While we say we won't send ground troops in, does anyone really believe that? What's the point of being there then? Clinton proved that bombing raids only amount to a nussaince. They aren't efftective unless ground troops are sent in to clean up. Patton said that 60+ years ago and it's still true today. I hope it's not going to be a problem. I am sick of our servicemen and women being wasted for nothing. If we were in these things to win, it wouldn't be so bad. But we've been fighting with one hand tied behind our backs since 2003 and I just don't see the point any more. And I certainly don't see the point of a war in a new country under the command of a president who argued tooth and nail against our more recent wars and who has the nerve to actually do all the things his side falsely accused Bush of doing. The saving grace is that I think the American people are waking up to this student council president we have in D.C. sroblog.com/2011/03/23/al-qaida-commander-backs-libyan-rebels-in-message-reuters/newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2011/03/22/networks-stressed-importance-congressional-approval-iraq-war-now-barely-If you don't read any of these, read this. Notice how when the author goes back to Invasion-era blog posts, some are mysteriously removed. rogueoperator.wordpress.com/2011/03/21/left-wing-media-responses-to-obamas-libya-invasion/Even the Huffington Post is wondering. Notice in this article how the very things they damned Bush for are the defense of Obama. Not in a "well, he did it so we can kind of way", but not even acknowledging that they damned Iraq as illegal for the same things they are defending Barry for now. www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/20/obama-libya_n_838219.html |
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Post by MattC on Mar 31, 2011 9:57:25 GMT -5
BTW, do any older people remember the last time a President's poll numbers went down after he went to war? From my recollection, their numbers go up after launching a war. Just asking.
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Post by poindexter on Mar 31, 2011 13:39:29 GMT -5
BTW, do any older people remember the last time a President's poll numbers went down after he went to war? From my recollection, their numbers go up after launching a war. Just asking. There's no need to distract the press regarding the latest findings from the AP-GfK poll. You know, the one that has Obama's approval rating at a robust 53 percent. Don't distract the Beltway press corps, let alone the right-wing blogosphere, because they're still obsessing over yesterday's Quinnipiac poll that had Obama down to a 42 percent approval rating. Those results were instantly dubbed to be very important. The Quinnipiac poll didn't really resemble many other reputable survey results issued this month. And virtually every other poll measuring Obama's approval rating in March found him hovering around the 50 percent mark. But that didn't matter. The Quinnipiac findings were news and the AP's are not. Why? Because good news for Obama isn't really news. |
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Post by poindexter on Mar 31, 2011 13:48:26 GMT -5
Matt I promise I wont just repeat moveon.org bumper stickers. Can you promise to not just repeat Limbaugh/Beck/Savage talking points? And I'm curious Matt....should I consider myself an Asshole with a capital A or just a plain old lower case asshole? I'm just confused on this whole capitalization thingy... And speaking of Capitalization or capitalization...everybody do yourself a favor and type "record profits" into your google search bar. Seems the old trickle down theory is only working at half power...profits and cash on hand at record levels while investment in job creation at lowest point ever. Maybe the upper 2% and corporations need a little more relief... Oh, and bravo Oracle...(without sarcasm) That would be a capital "A" and don't play dumb. You get the difference. You apparently listen to talk radio more than I do since you know their talking points. I have other things to do with my time than sit and listen to blabbing. I think we can better understand each other, or, at least I can better understand you, if you answer this one question. What is wrong with profits of any kind? I don't think there is anything wrong with profits. I never said I had a problem with profits. Why ask a stupid fucking question like that? Just to get a rise out of me? Instead of addressing the issue I brought up regarding the relationship between record profits and declining investment of those profits in job creation, you decide to ask me a stupid fucking question designed to make me look like an Asshole (note capitalization)? For the record...I love profits! I own my business and seek profit every day. How about discussing the issue at hand before any more lame attempts to label me as a socialist? Huh? Maybe? |
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I wouldn't elect Sen. Rick to be my garbage man - wait a minute, I withdraw that statement. He's been shoveling so much crap since he appeared he's got more than enough experience to drive a truck for Waste Management.
